NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

[Trickfox]

Elizabeth....I will try and explain this again:

I cannot possibly mess with time because I fear the paradox of it all will cause me to be in error and I will be caught chasing my own tail of woe.(that is the crust I'm speaking of)"

If any of you have seen the film "what the bleep do we know" you will note that all of our emotions are controlled by neuro peptides rushing through different areas of the brain. It is most difficult to get over the ego, the need for recognition, and the desire to be accepted because of these emotions and their incurence into every day issues.

I was watching the movie SPHERE this afternoon. There was a scene near the end where there was three crew members left who had obtained the power to manifest ANY KIND OF REALITY by simply thinking about it. In the end they manifested the need to simply FORGET that they had the power to do so. They did that because they discovered that they were unable to control this power which had become destructive too easilly.

This is how I feel about the power to mess with time. The point being that IF I DO have this power, I would rather NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT MYSELF.

If I try to discover the means by which to mess with time, then it is likely that once I find out exactly how it is done, I will have crossed over into an area that I'm not ready to deal with emotionally, and thus I will be creating problems in my own timeline.

Ideally, it would be better to let someone else use it who does not understand how it actually works. As far as my job is concerned I have accomplished my task and would rather let the next person carry on.

Mind you... this is a very strong gut feeling, and since I am still in the "past" portion of the discovery timeline, once I transpose into the "future" portion of the discovery timeline, I will not have the burden of trying to change the past, -so that I can sucessfully change the future, -so that I can eventually discover how to change the timeline. (this is the famous Godel strange loop)

See.... the more you think about this the harder it becomes to try and make sense out of it because a crust is forming between the timeline when the "knowledge to mess with time" existed, and the timeline where the "knowledge to mess with time" did not exist. Let's call it the "coverging timeline paradox".

Here is the kicker: Perhaps I know how to do it without actually being aware of it. This would fit Paul's theory that there are unknowns that we don't know that we know. Either way, I don't seem to be too concerned about it because I'm trying to forget about long term future consequences so that I can concentrate on the immediate task at hand.

Is this making more sense now?

You're turn now....
What are you trying to say here:

judge them by what they do not what they appear to be to others

Isn't there a word missing here?
Trickfox

[kevin.b]

Trickfox,
Cava, mon cher ami?
I have written about a dozen replies to this post, to you, I am confused as what to say.
Fear is all there is to fear, forget it.
Have you actually listened to david, or looked at his words?
You will not grasp him by looking at the words only.

I am concerned about YOU, though we are all one.
The more you know and are conditioned of this world and its science, the harder things will be for you.
I am fortunate, somewhat simple , and not very much software downloaded, I really am fortunate.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/michael_st_clair.html

The wabbit hole is more confusing than confucious.
Kevin, sending ripples along the matrix , to you.

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Trickfox,

You said

"You're turn now....
What are you trying to say here:

Quote:
judge them by what they do not what they appear to be to others
Isn't there a word missing here?

What word do you think might be missing Trickfox? Perhaps better with a couple of commas .... but I am curious what word you would like to see there. Elizabeth

[Trickfox]

Elizabeth

It was the missing comma that confused me. I was thinking there might be words missing but it was the punctuation that escaped me for a minute. that's all.

As for judging others.... well... Right now the only judgement I shall make is the one I have made about Davidb.

It is difficult to get under my skin, however Davidb has succeeded.

I take a lot of time trying to make sure that I am consistent with known definitions because I do have a tendency to make things look very complex. I think I did a fairly good job of explaining that timeline covergence complexity (the crust), and please notice that I often quote other respected sources.

I am not throwing out everything I have learned from Davidb because he has succeeeded in making me look into areas that I had never thought of before.

Kevin has been a whole lot more valuable than I ever imagined in this regard, so I would rather listen to a hobbit than plod thru Davidb's inconsitencies and redifined variables. In fact I can report that nearly everyone in this forum has been a plus to communicate with, however there is a difference between NEW information and non-sequiturs.

I admit that even I have made several errors, and upset several people over and over again and I must admit that I have been overbearing and self-centered in many cases. I am no angel

I still insist on sorting out the Bovine Scatt from the diamonds when it comes to anything built in a research lab. To do any less is a waste of time and money.

SO..... HERE IS THE CHALLENGE

Other than Kevin.... can anyone else make any sense out of Davidb's "science". (And YES Kevin I have listened carefully to everything David has said. IT STILL DOES NOT MAKE SENSE).

Speak up if you think you can explain what Davidb is talking about in a way that I could understand. Keep in mind that I don't happen to believe that all of classical mechanics is absolutely wrong, and that there is no conspiracy to prevent anyone from learning the truth about science.

I suspect that there are those of you out there who understand exactly what I am saying and agree with me but refuse to comment in any way...

That is ok with me. I don't mind sharing the burden of criticism with Mikado because at least we care enough to try and keep some sort of consistency in the definitions used in this forum.

Trickfox

[Mikado14]

I go away from the forum for two fracken' days and look what is going on. I miss so much of the fun.

The past two pages have afforded a very good read. And I being the soul that I am will of course do my utmost best to piss off the entire fracken' forum.

I am disturbed.....greatly. Not by anyone in particular just the whole nonsense that has transpired.

My first question is why can't David supply a glossary of terms? It was approximately one year ago in January that I asked that very same question and have never received a response other than "I am not an engineer". How is an engineer expected to come up with the associated work without an understanding of the "language" that is being used?

Next, question is why can't Trickfox be a little more diplomatic? Perhaps he has been waiting to see a glossary of terms as well. It has been approximately 10 months since Trickfox attempted to take drawings and convert them into CAD drawings to construct a workable model. The model involved 2x4's and magnets, nothing exotic, in an attempt to utilize "new" technology. The only thought that came to mind was a cartoon called "The Kids Next Door" who build all kinds of vehicles, including space craft with a base on the moon, utilizing "2x4 technology". I told him to leave me out of it for it would not work and he knew it as well. The inherent design was wrong and that what was being attempted would not work and showed a rudimentary understanding of current technology applied to prove a principle that was only a postulation. Trickfox, being the person that he is insisted that he was going to go forward so that he might get a better understanding of the application and the person who was involved.

One says to the other you can't look at things linearly, the other is not attempting to look at things linearly. Does anyone else see this? Not all things in science are linear and if one claims that it is, they are wearing blinders and making a blunder. However, not all the rules of the physical plane apply to others and unfortunately that is all we have to work with but that does not mean that we cannot understand other planes "rules of order".

My advice, take it or leave it, is that we are dealing in "anarchy science". Everyone has an idea of how it all works or so it appears, however, underlying all of it is a common understanding that the rules that apply or perhaps, the condition of the universe that we exist and live in may not apply somewhere else but a common language to explain those conditions must be worked out or else history will repeat and this tower will crumple.

Are there egos involved? yes. We are all dynamic in how we perceive our own universe and our inherent need to control it but in the end, we should only change those things that can be and understand that in nature, we need to work with her.

Speaking of masks, we all have them. Did it ever occur that perhaps the identities that we view here of the individuals posting is only that which the poster wishes all to see? Perhaps there is more substance behind the mask. Perhaps that those posters have more to lose or might just know more than the reader knows? Perhaps the poster realizes that the time is not right and that when it is, nature will let it flow without enormous resistance or oppostion, choose whatever word you prefer. Perhaps the only way to see if mankind is ready is to ask questions.

A long time ago I mentioned that the technolgy and science that we have is not perfect, but it works well for our everday lives at the present for if it didn't, you wouldn't be reading my long diatribe while I stand on a soapbox. Developing postulations, theorems or developing a philosophy of a new understanding of the universe is fine but to plant ones flag emphatically upon that hill without a method to "prove" it, it will remain just that, a will-o-the-wisp. It is no different than all the lifters and discs, and even I made this mistake 30 years ago, they only show a "phenomena" that leads to other avenues. It would be like taking a nail and winding wire around it and creating an electromagnet, it displays a phenomenon but an induction motor it is not.

My advice is to not use words that have meanings in established physical science. An example would be the word Resistance and Reluctance. They are both oppositions, one is to the flow of current and the other is to magnetic lines of force, but they are both "oppositions" but cannot be transposed in use. Perhaps a word should be developed to explain the opposition to the energy that radiates into space instead of using a word that is being used in another area of science, even if that science is not perfect.

If I have pissed off some, I offer no apologies, get over it. Find common ground. Don't "copout" and tell the other to "ignore" posts. Put egos aside and TRY, work at it but do not make the mistake of just yellling louder with the same words as the idiot does to the deaf man, it doesn't work well. However, there comes a point where only a fool would fight in a burning building.

Remember, love all mankind, one may not like an individual but remember to love and respect the soul.


Mikado

[Trickfox]

[quote="greggvizza"] I wrote that all matter is essentially a black hole swallowing space-time. The amount of mass determines the amount of space-time that is swallowed and therefore the intensity of the black hole. In objects of low mass the flow is so slight as to appear unnoticeable but it is the exact same flow as in a classic black hole in outer space. This flow is what I considered gravity to be. The more mass, the greater it’s appetite for aether. The greater the aether flow, the greater the gravity.

What seemed to have triggered all of this was when I read a statement made by Hal Putoff where he explained that “as electrons radiate away their orbital energies, the vast zero-point energy of the vacuum responds by re-supplying all the atoms of the universe with a stabilizing, compensatory amount of energy, thereby sustaining the electrons’ orbits, and preventing them from spiraling in on their nuclei. In this cosmological feedback system, the zero-point-energy maintains the very existence of matterâ€

[wdavidb]

The word............resistance

Can be used as a noun or an adjective (most commonly used as a noun)

It's meaning

1. a: an act or instance of resisting
b: a means of resisting

2. the power or capacity to resist

3. an opposing or retarding force

4. the opposition offered by a body or substance to the passage through it of a steady electrical current.

5 a psychological defense

6. an underground organization

[wdavidb]

The word...........field

used as a noun

its meaning:

A region or space in which a given effect exists (such as gravity)

[wdavidb]

Pretty mind bending stuff isn't it..........when you get down to it.

Imagine resistance being something besides the opposition to an electric current, the very idea of it. Must be a junk dictionary I have.

Now Ray.......you are very quick to point out my short comings, which I know full well are many, but you pointed out that I could not build anything unless someone made the pieces for me.......you're quite sure about this are you?

Then you tell us that there is no secret science......are you sure about this too?

No secret science.........well that is a bit of good news. But I find it a bit difficult to believe you because I think that is what you want to believe and perhaps what you want the rest of us to believe as well.......

One man's junk is another man's treasure.......and one man's treasure is another man's junk.........so we can dance after all and I thought I lacked rhythm.

The game is rich Ray, really rich........I was thinking the other night when I was reading some of your pros.........what would Dr. Brown think of all this stuff.......what would he say? I bet he would say something very polite, but cut right to the core.

No fooling around.........he would not mince words, not at this stage of the game. I think he might look me in the eye and say, David why don't we go for a walk.

No Ray you don't get it, you really don't get it......you think its all about me, this guy David. Sorry Ray, its not about me, never was, but I've said that before, maybe you forgot those old posts.

Its not me.........its about something much bigger than a person or even a group of people..........its about love.........crunch that number and see what you get.

It's a spiritual thing........love of life, love of nature, love of God.

No malice, no hate, no revenge and no bull shit.

No I don't fit.........never did, never will.....but you know what, that's alright with me. I wouldn't want to be anyone else, hell I would have missed the whole thing. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't trade places with anyone. No one........no matter who they are.

You know why? No, no, no..........that's my secret.

[Trickfox]

Ok David

So long as you stick to this subject Love (love of life, love of others and love of G-D) then my friend I'm in complete agreement with you.

Please forgive me for having been so rude about the technology issue.

It's a matter of frustration beyond my control. I am under an enormous amount of stress. I am being manipulated by a slum lord and I am trapped in a Fungus infested appartment right now fighting to get the very basic survival needs like food and cloathing. It is irritating me to no end and I am quick to make sarcastic comments about your admitted lack of engineering capabilities.

Another reason I am frustrated is because my dialysis treatments prevent me from getting meaningful employment for several reasons and I am at the mercy of a socialist government which has pigeon holled me into a category known as the handicapped terminal ill patient.

Still I manage to crawl into attics and run electronic wirring and perform the duties of a healthy construction worker at least twice a week and sometimes on the week-end. There again I am forced to work at a quarter of the normal wages I would normally make.

I put everything I make back into my electronic projects, create circuit boards and surface mount assemblies under a microscope, design webpages, develop custom microprocessor programs, and best of all, read study and research the most advanced technology on Earth. (much of which I have never talked about in our forum)

All I have left David, is the pride of being sure that my technology, my definitions, and my understanding of classical and practical physics is beyond reproach. (admittedly there are a few observers in our forum who could make me blush in shame with the brilliance of their understanding)

If it's about LOVE David, I allready understand that this is missing in my life. The woman I love lives thousands of miles away from me and if it were not that I must be connected to this machine three times a week to stay alive, I would be living and working in San Francisco right this moment.

You have seen my eyes close-up and you should understand through remote perception that I can be very agreeable and loving towards anyone because I have absolutely no permanent ill will towards you.

Perhaps you can admit that you are unintentionally frustrating me because you are redifinning basic notions that I allready understand and that need not be redefined as far as many are concerned.

Yes I am sure there is no secret science,(secrets, yes, but not secret science) that is because PERHAPS (important notion here) I have bothered to learn so called SECRET science on my own, and none of the secret keepers dare admit the fact that they can't hide math based knowledge from a resourcefull person.

If you are talking about conspiratorial secrets (as opposed to scientific secrets) which are usually based on mythology, then you are openning up a whole other can of worms, and you can follow the advice and believe the "William Moore" types who preach cataclysmic revelations and such time wasting self defeating nonesense. I choose not to.

Your last statement made me laugh out loud.
David.... I am deeply sorry but you are incapable of holding any secret over my understanding. You cannot possible have such power over me because I will not allow you to control my reality.

Smoke that in you peace pipe my friend.

And let us bury the hachet for the sake of others who are turned off by all this pissing contest gesturing.

A mellowed out trickfox

[kevin.b]

Elizabeth helen Drake,
The problem with walking, is staying on a single path.
I have perfected the ability of staying upon a one inch wide pathway, it took some doing.
Each person will have to puzzle out how to do that, nobody can teach another.
Certain people who have attained a higher understanding really catch my attention, one is jiddu Krishnamurti, I love his quotes,
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/
the sixth one down," intelligence is not seperate from love ",is pertinant, imho.

kevin

[kevin.b]

Elizabeth Helen Drake,
Have I been drinking too much tea?
Did you post and then dissappear?
Or am I in another time loop?

Kevin

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Navigator,

You are right of course and always there and I do appreciate your input. I had posted and then erased, actually not surprised that you caught it. And I really liked this " intelligence is not seperate from love "

Maybe there are some in this world who would think differently. Its only a little cut. That was the line in " The Golden Compass" but its EVERYTHING, that separation between intelligence and love. And to be cut apart, one from the other is ..... an impossible situation for the future.

Hobbits I believe can sense this out... walking that thin line and seeing and feeling so much is so difficult..

I appreciate you being out there. Elizabeth

[Mikado14]

Imagine resistance being something besides the opposition to an electric current, the very idea of it. Must be a junk dictionary I have.

No David, I do not believe you have a junk dictionary and I have inserted a link as reference. What you posted is a very short list of all the meanings. However, even within your post, #4 specifically mentions an opposition to electric current. No where does it mention gravity. If you so choose to use words that in the academic world are applied elsewhere there will always be a measure of confusion. You claim that you are not bound by educated science. That is a mixed blessing that I am sure others might see.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/resistance

The word...........field

used as a noun

its meaning:

A region or space in which a given effect exists (such as gravity)

Now David, if you found this in a dictionary, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe. How about this:

12. Physics. the influence of some agent, as electricity or gravitation, considered as existing at all points in space and defined by the force it would exert on an object placed at any point in space. Compare electric field, gravitational field, magnetic field.

Here is the link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/field

Take note that the use of the word field is applicable to electric and magnetic as well and I can find no reference in the forums as to anyone criticizing your use of the word.

I am hoping that by now, if you have read this far, you see what I am attempting to point out. If you so choose to use words that are used elsewhere in science than it is imperative that you give definitions as to how YOU are applying the words. Not Trickfox, not gregg, not me, or anyone else for that matter.

Now Ray.......you are very quick to point out my short comings, which I know full well are many, but you pointed out that I could not build anything unless someone made the pieces for me.......you're quite sure about this are you?

Somewhere in my archives, for I save all communications, I have a message that you sent to Trickfox almost a year ago in where you state as far as the building of your unity machine that you are not an engineer and it is up to them to build it. What else can one assume when you say that? I do not believe that Trickfox was talking about carpentry, cabinet making or even repairing your own car. He is talking about taking a dream to reality in reference to your postulations.


I see this as failure on all our parts for if we can't communicate we are isolated from each other and the only method to relate our ideas is speech and until there is a machine that we can plug into and have thought transfer then we all better learn to agree to the meaning of words as to how we are applying them. It is that simple.

Mikado

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Mikado,
this thought was great .....
I see this as failure on all our parts for if we can't communicate we are isolated from each other and the only method to relate our ideas is speech and until there is a machine that we can plug into and have thought transfer then we all better learn to agree to the meaning of words as to how we are applying them. It is that simple."

And can you tell that all of our discussions have been narrowing down now to specifics? And that everyone who has contributed to this discussion is important? And that there is a certain urgency to all of this? And that there is alot of work to be done to communicate successfully?

And I know that I am not alone in seeing this.

Elizabeth