In the year 2026

[Jan Lundquist]

Until Paul updates the topics, I will stash relevant science stuff here.

[Jan Lundquist]

A paper with the title of A Simple Unification of Gravity and Electricity was published by CERN in 2022. The author, Moshe Segal, is an independent researcher and electrical engineer, living in Israel. He has written 44 papers, many published in peer reviewed journals.

I came across his paper in Acadenia.edu, but don’t know if those archives are open to non-members. This one should be.

https://vixra.org/pdf/2212.0075v2.pdf

In brief, he proposes that the two can be unified by treating electricity as, like gravity, a form of acceleration.

[natecull]

Hi Jan! I thought it was time I checked in here. I just (finally) finished reading Paul LaViolette's 2008 "Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion" and the Tom Turman letters from Townsend Brown (which I've probably read before but it's always fun reading letters in that special typewriter typeface).

This study proposes a lead for a simple unification of Gravity and Electricity by predicting that Electric Fields are also forms of Accelerations, as Gravity is already recognized as a form of Acceleration.

Hmm. I feel that Einstein would agree with that claim: I think his search for the Unified Field was exactly his belief that the electromagnetic fields were accelerations realised as geometry, in the same way that GR models the acceleration of gravity as the rank-2 four-tensor, with the trick of GR being that since every body feels the same acceleration, we might as well just say that the whole of space is what's being accelerated. (Einstein didn't bother trying to model the nuclear forces; he hoped that they'd fall out as special cases of electromagnetism and gravity, which he never accomplished).

"It's obviously all acceleration" is a simple insight and it *seems* like it should be easy to turn into geometry, but in fact it's very hard to come up with a geometry that makes electromagnetism work even for classical fields, let alone for the quantum wrinkles. Or at least it was hard (going on impossible) for Einstein and all his friends to do this. This is probably because different objects have different charges, while they respond to gravity the same. The five-dimension Kaluza-Klein theory, where movement in a hidden fifth dimension seemed to add enough levels of freedom to account for electricity and magnetism, seemed like a good candidate, until it wasn't. Adding torsion to GR (which I think just means removing the reflection symmetry so that instead of reducing to 10 numbers, you have the full 16 numbers, 4x4, at each point in spacetime - and also a lot of analytical problems) also seemed like another good path, but also didn't seem to work. Mendel Sachs was one theorist who was very excited about this, but was considered an outsider in the physics community.

I am not quite seeing the actual content in this paper, which gets me wondering if it was perhaps written with the "help" of AI. It seems to ramble and go in circles a lot. I'll try rereading to see if there is anything I can parse out about the proposed experiment.

He keeps saying "the structure of the Coulomb's Law is identical to the structure of Newton's Universal Gravitational Law" which is true in a sense but also not quite true: an electric charge can be negative, while a mass can't be negative. That messes the nice shape of the equation up quite a bit: the Coulomb force between two objects of the same charge sign is a repulsion, while the gravitational force between two objects of the same mass sign is an attraction. So the equations at best are similar but dual, not identical.

Townsend Brown in 1943 approached this problem from the opposite direction, asking "what if there's not actually such a thing as a negative electrical charge, but rather charge/potential is always a positive number, and space itself in a region far from matter, ie in the intergalactic void, is the maximum negative charge". An interesting idea and I don't know if it has any possibility of being true (I feel like the existence of antimatter *probably* disproves it very strongly), but it's one way of trying to square the gap.

Ok, so his proposed experiment is literally trying to test if two electrically charged bodies (of different charge signs, so attracting each other) fall towards each other in a way that's independent on their mass - ie, if the electrical force is independent of mass - in other words, whether it ignores inertia!

I feel like his claim then is "there's no such thing as inertia when it comes to electrical force" and that seems like it must be pretty obviously false? I mean, we'd have noticed a lack of inertia in electrical motors with heavy metallic charged components....? And I'm pretty we haven't noticed anything at all like that in the last two to three hundred years that people have been playing with electrical charges, going back to the 1700s. Granted that the idea of force and inertia was about a century earlier, the 1600s, but we would very quickly have invalidated those if the electrical charge was so trivially independent of mass.

Perhaps I'm missing something *very* basic but this paper feels like the writer has fallen off the edge of reality, no matter what his former credentials might have been. Einstein's approaches in his 40 year quest to extend GR to map electromagnetism as geometry, must have been a lot more subtle than just waving inertia away. Though I don't actually understand how or if Einstein ever did manage to map inertia and charge into a rank-2 tensor, which does seem like it should only model acceleration and not force.


Regards, Nate

[natecull]

So William Neil McCasland, a retired USAF Major-General, who seems to have been *very* high up the US military science-intelligence food chain, stepped out for a walk and went missing two weeks ago. That's one mystery. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_McCasland

By "very high up" I mean: he was at one point head of research for Wright Patterson, and was also executive security of SAPOC, the Special Access Program Oversight Committee. That puts him in a very small group of people who rank as "the one man who knew everything". He's probably not the sort of person who should just go missing.

But then, some over-curious Reddit people (are there any other?) discovered that on the same day McCasland went missing, a weird X/Twitter account that had been posting strange and badly-spelled claims about plasma physics and antigravity, mixed with hand-drawn diagrams and cheap AI "art", since 2022.... suddenly stopped posting.

That account is called "TMBSpaceships", and it's readable without an X account here: https://xcancel.com/TMBSPACESHIPS . It makes for some strange but fun reading, especially from a Townsend Brown perspective. For example, the writer is very excited about "the permittivity of free space" and doesn't believe in nuclear forces other than Electric, Magnetic and Kinetic. The writer also does not believe in "UFO reverse engineering" but does believe there exist covert US antigravity engineering projects. Their favourite (most commonly repeated) words are "adabatic" and "mesoscopic", and they seem to like Ion Seeding and Alfven waves, a lot.

In short, the writing reminds me very much of some of the posters on this forum in the Before Times. It also reminds me of some of the 1980s/1990s small-press fringe physics material I read. (The Antigravity Handbook and friends).

Some of the more coherent quotes:

ELECTRIC PROPULSIVE SPACECRAFT and SPACECRAFT SYSTEMS MANUFACTURING.
Experience: Retired 38 year Active Duty USAF PhD Engineer.
AFIT/AETC/AFMC - UT/OU

In deep space Electrons are stretched into the fractional voids the Hydrogen Nuclei cannot fill. (Schrodinger Cat is in 2 places at once)

(This is strikingly like Townsend's musings about electrons being at the potential of free space, in "The Structure of Space", 1943).

DOD/DOE antigravity vehicles have speed constraints due to mismanagement and chasing expensive no return research projects. My heated antennas made a significant increase in instantaneous speed.

Hmm.

It is a disservice to mankind to claim his technology is alien DEVELOPED.

There is a DOE program to push the nonsense that Aliens.

There will be Genetically Engineered people presented as Aliens in the coming years.

I saw lots of Cows being used a Human Womb incubators at a Numbered area in 1994, part of a Super soldier Program. I did not talk to those people as most Genetics and Advanced genetic biologist are all Eugenics freaks.

These "DOE ran Supersoldier" programs were covers for Human Hybrid Chimeras. Jessie Ventura covered this on his show.

There were many Chimera escapes from the Labs in the 1990's and now the DOD has to hunt them down.

Chimera research should be banned at the World Level. Just ask Kahn Noonien Singh.

Well, that certainly is a claim.

I wrote 2 pages in this.
Look for Non Standard Aircraft instruments....

I love all things that Fly and Float.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA280006.pdf

That might be a claim that's checkable.

That PDF is "NASA Reference Publication 1046, Measurement of Aircraft Speed and Altitude, William Gracey, Langley Research Center, Hampton Virginina", December 6 1979. 308 pages. While "non standard" is not a phrase that can be found in this document via text search, chapter XIII on page 226, "Other Altitude-Measuring Methods" might describe instruments that can be considered "non-standard", such as a "capacitance altimeter", a "cosmic-ray altimeter", a "gravity meter", and a "magnetometer".

In Engineering Antigravity vehicle skin panels, the last step of Super-Amphoras (Glassy Black) Fused Silicone Panel Manufacuring is to finish with a semi sintered but closed fused surface and final layers of High K Dielectrics, sometimes doped with Cesium

The desired (TDA) NUCLEAR Electron to ION and ELECTRON to Electron is engineered to generate a LEIDENFROST effect at the fuselage solid to surrounding Interfacial Media surface, making Ion slide more easily in a plane parallel to the fuselage surface.

When the Antigravity vehicles Buoyancy Field is energized, the vehicle's oscillatory Low Frequency Ion dense fields draw back and forth, from end to end, via direct physical modulation with large speaker-like diaphragms to hold Ion s fixed to the fuselages surface waiting for any hint of, renormalization, ending random momenta orientation from the energized field, Till Ion Collisional heat the Ions into the surrounding, non-dissipating Plasma Vacuum Bubble

The words "Leidenfrost Effect" pop out to me. I believe I've read them before in the fringe antigravity literature, I forget when. Perhaps as early as the 1980s, or perhaps the 1990s.

This effect of Mass Orientation equilibrium randomization, (Nuclear Spin) is the secret of Weightlessness Application and methodology in DOD/DOE Antigravity

When the vehicles Buoyancy Field is energized, you are weightless and capable of 90 degree turns at any speed, due to being inertial less in the Plasma Fields Vacuum Bubble.

Nuclear spin has been in the fringe antigravity literature for a while, and the "inertialess inside the field" claim goes at least back to Stan Deyo in 1978. Whether this writer is just cribbing from the existing lore, or has an independent path to it, is the question.

So, to give a simpler explanation of characterizing PEMITIVITY and PERMEABILITY, of FREE SPACE (in Filled Free Space), at Higher Media Density (Pressure) and Lower (Seismic, Acoustic and Mechanical) Frequencies in characteristics of REFLECTION, REFRACTION and TRANSMITABILITY, the wording of
DENSITY of FREE SPACE and ELASTICITY of FREE SPACE more correctly convey the lesson.

Townsendian style of thinking, perhaps.

The Electrified Field of DOD/DOE antigravity vehicles push the surrounding adiabatic (exothermic in space) media away from the vehicle with an elaborate and fine electrical field.

The Ion seeded Electrical Fields have pressure lower than found in deep space.

Electrified Vacuum Plasma Bubbles Null all Inertia withing the field into a collective motion of near perfect equilibrium(weightless), rendering the vehicle weightless and inertialess.

Propulsive Inertia is created by lowering the pressure in one location on your spacecraft to be substantially lower than the surrounding media, altering spacecrafts concentricy to the center of the Vacuum Plasma Bubble. This causes the universe to build a suction of electrostatic energy that SUCKS YOU ALONG

DOD/DOE antigravity vehicles utilize conventional controls, not magical mind telepathic crap.
My brother in law worked on Antigravity vehicle avionic architecture for Raytheon/TI for almost 45 years.
DOD/DOE antigravity NAV systems are very similar to Aircraft but has Space NAV Modes of operation.

These vehicles can be flown like blimps.

In Slow Mode, these vehicles are flown by hand,but in fast mode, it is done with simple 3 Axis Autopilot and a automated Propulsive Control and Feedback System feeding Dispersal solutions to the Buoyancy Field Control and feedback system.

The 2 Systems work together to keep you in place, within your concentricy to center of Plasma field, for Floating Buoyancy stability.

RF signal will not penetrate the Plasma's magnetic Electron Sheath/Sheets.

Most practical com systems are Coblentz UVC (older) & UVX Optical Data Links, or Plasma Modulation with Real Time Plasma (Cosmic Background Longitudinal Modulation) com systems using Link16 type architecture are the best current technology due to lack ability to utilizes standard radio transmissions.

Government UAPs do not have exotic Nuclear power supplies.

Burning 1 gallon of jet fuel in 1 second would produce 131.88 MW of power.

The Flame Jet Generator rears its head, perhaps?

Understanding Amphoras Glass is vital knowledge for researcher into UFO/UAP technology.

I introduced Plasma Thermal Spray Fuselages to the DOD/DOE antigravity program. It significantly increased per watt float lbs.(Isobar Nucleonic Pressure)
More Foundation for the Antigravitational Spacecraft Engineer.

An Antigravity vehicle's Buoyancy Field's Outer Plasma Vacuum Bubble,
is a layered sheet of super-hot electrons dimensionally spread apart due to the extreme heat Electrons can accumulate, a characteristic the ION doesn't have, temperature Isolate.

In Antigravity vehicle engineering, Ions are modulated in a Laminar flow across the fuselage surface to opposing Ion Modulators (speaker like Servo motors.)

Ions are held by the physical laminar flow field; this anchors electron transport with a grain of Inward toward cooler Ions in laminar flow region. This establishes a dimensional canyon (Debye-Boltzmann distributional locality).t I engineered was simultaneous Shock Ignition where the Shockwave are calibrated to intersect at the Mid-Point.

The with a small amount of metered Hydrocarbon Fuel, you Stoichiometrically Blow the Fire up into a big free-standing balloon. The outer boundary of the Plasma Hot Zone is an Electron Bunched Dense sheet establishing the Magnetic Soliton containment.

The vehicle will lift from ground as the electrons race toward the Bubbles edge on ignition

"The Stars Are Too High" by Agnew H. Bahnson Jr. is a science fiction novel centered around a mysterious flying object that causes international tension, particularly between the United States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War era. The plot revolves around three men who have built this advanced aircraft

Indeed.

An Antigravity vehicle's Buoyancy Field's Outer Plasma Vacuum Bubble, is a layered sheet of super-hot electrons dimensionally spread apart due to the extreme heat Electrons can accumulate, a characteristic the ION doesn't have, temperature Isolate.

In Antigravity vehicle engineering, Ions are modulated in a Laminar flow across the fuselage surface to opposing Ion Modulators (speaker like Servo motors.)

Ions are held by the physical laminar flow field; this anchors electron transport with a grain of Inward toward cooler Ions in laminar flow region. This establishes a dimensional canyon (Debye-Boltzmann distributional locality).

ELECTRODYNAMICS of CONTINUOUS MEDIA

Lev Landau great book that unlocked antigravity methodology.

Antigravity Vehicles can be flown like a blimp or flown like you cannot even see it.

The Soliton Plasma-Vacuum-Bubble External Combustion methodology developed by me for the USA prevents missiles from Dimensionally approaching the vehicle. Older models did not have this feature.

Older DOD/DOE models used an internal Plasma confinement Vacuum Vessel with an interior adiabatic vacuum a magnitude lower than found in outer space.

The older antigravity vehicle models's "Plasma Engine" (their stupid nomenclature), would heat the pressure vessel, where a massive static field extended out of the vessel and out of the vehicle, rending a field of WEIGHTLESSNESS/MOTIONLESSNESS. One Lockheed POS blew up in NJ back in 1991 killing 4.

These are dangerous designs as the vacuum may, relativistically/virtually/equally be dimensionally millions of miles away to the center of the Pressure vessel from the Vacuum Vessel's walls because the electrons must follow the lines of the Hydrogen Lattice of Continua, which has been electrostatically/Eikonally stretched along a 1 degree of single path RENORMALIZATION.

Errors, Grammar, language structure and mistakes in my post are purposeful.

I am a Human.
I am humble.

I was the JANITOR
in charge of
Important Garbage.

DOD/DOE Antigravity vehicle utilize convention technology and External Combustion Bunched Ambipolar Diffusive Shockwaves to create a Standing Wave Vacuum in the shockwaves wake.

This creates Standing Kinetic Wave pushing off your antigravity vehicles fuselage surface.

This self contains the Plasma with inward force trying to collapse the shock wave's cavitation vacuum wake's natural sustainable Bubble as long as a small amount of ION Seed Gas is feed at a greater rate than the Dissipation Shock Rate.

Dissipate shock is modulated to low frequency with large physical diaphragm modulators.

Fuel is added to the Plasma Field at a Metered rate, generating a force field on the surface of your antigravity vehicle, Pushing your vehicle away from everything in a motionless Plasma.

Ion Seed Gas (I like RP-1 (Kerosine)) is used to increase the permittivity of free space around your vehicle in an enveloping FIELD of Adiabatic Vacuum.

COBLENTZ UV RADIO.

Most WW2 big bombers had COBLENTZ UV Non-Line of sight Optical Radios.

Transmitter consisted of Audio Modulator driving a Hand Held and hand aimed Mercury Discharge Lamp with a UV Filter on the front.

Receiver consisted of a Solar Blind Photomultiplier Tube in a fish eye lens driving a Audio Modulator.

This 1935 technology is being scrubbed from current Day Internet and from the Way Back Machine.

There is no entry in Wikipedia, for Coblentz Radio, anymore.

Anyone can talk to UAPs with UV Modulated COBLENTZ optical radios.

They will hear you.

"Coblentz" and UV optical radio gives me a very deep ping of memory. Which of many fringe physics sources did I read about that first? I'm feeling 1980s to early 1990s. It seems likely that whoever wrote about that in the fringe media might be related to this writer.

That would be this Coblentz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Coblentz

William Weber Coblentz (November 20, 1873 – September 15, 1962) was an American physicist notable for his contributions to infrared radiometry and spectroscopy.

Although Coblentz is remembered today mainly for his contributions to physics and astronomy, he also had interests in bioluminescence, atmospheric ozone, and, perhaps surprisingly, parapsychology. He appears to have brought the same energy to the latter field as he did to his other areas of interest.

This is similar to the Antigravity vehicle I saw, while fishing, at Lake Belton DAM, Texas in August 1991.

Skin was covered in FG-4 PCB type Fiberglass.

I was going to UT and a Butterbar USAF Engineer at the time.

The vehicle went onto Restricted Property, owned at NASA at McGregor, Texas

The Property was NASA's RP-1 Fuel production plant.

Today SpaceX owns that property.

I started 40 years ago writing my own Family Physics Textbook to pass on to my Grandchildren.

I will share the best stuff in these Post such as , FORCE FIELDS, Lightsaber-Like device

Antigravity Vehicles use Incandescently Heated, Thorium + multi-metal Oxide Coated geometrically shaped Antennas that emit Hot 'Diaphragm Modulated' Seed Gas, usually Propane, to increase Ionization density in the interior Soliton Alfven Wave Envelope

It's certainly a surreal headspace to put one's head into, but it's a little familiar.

Regards, Nate

[natecull]

Some more interesting claims:

1st Generation US Antigravity Vehicles had no Attitude Control system. A very desirable feature in a vehicle.

2nd Generation Antigravity vehicles addressed the deficientcy of no Attitude Control Systems but were all analog vehicles, flown by VFR rules.
Attitude Control consisted of a Caged Heavy Flywheel with 3 Axial Cage around cage around cage around the Fly Wheel.
Each Cage had Brushblock sliprings on one side and servomotor on other.
This is called a Momentum Wheel in todays satillites. The 3 Cages Command Move on thier own Axis giving command over Roll, Pitch and Yaw orientation.
So the flywheel spins away while Weightless(Bouyant) Vehicle rotates about the spinning fltwheel,
in it's own Isotopic Inertia and own Isotropic Orientation.

3rd Generation Antigravity Vehicles added
simple 8bit Nav systems and Digital controls on Boyancy, Propulsive and attitude control System.

This Systems Improvement approach created a New Flyable vehicle differing from previous antiques.

I cae into the programs with 3rd Generational vehicles being common.
I worked on a team to define deficiencies in the 3 Generation of Antigravity vehicles.
Speeds were limited, No Redundancy, Unsafe Pressurization systems. Most 3rd generation models are Death Traps.

4th Generational Antigravity vehicles have Plasma/Thermal Sprayed Fuselage Skin.
Fuselage skin incorporated Calrod heaters in Outer Hull. Heated antennas coated in Thorium Dioxide. 4 Boyancy Sytem Emmitters for redundantcy. New generation of Optical Communication Systems, Colbentz UV style Comm. Multi-redundant Nav systems.
Ionized Helium Emmission to Lower Pressure in atmosphere and annular He+ emitters around fuselage for Motion induction.

Townsend Brown was a big fan of heated and radioactive antennas too.

A mechanical momentum wheel sounds like 1950s tech. 8-bit systems could have been the 1960s, but that decade's computers tended to have weird length words, so more likely the 1970s.

That parallel universe feeling: If weird propulsion was workable but the problem was always safety, and if there was a Third Generation breakthrough around the late 1970s (as this writer says somewhere else but I haven't located the quote again yet), then that might fit with Stan Deyo's sense in 1978 that the craft were just about to fly, and would do so within the next five years.

But for whatever reason, they didn't.

When I went into the Covert Programs, this was the reference reading list for the antigravity program.
An 'Intro to antigravity familiarization" class did not exist.

Electrostatic Propulsion - D. Langmuir 1961

Electric Propulsion Development - E. Stuhlinger 1963

Physics of Electric Propulsion - R. Jahn 1968

Fundamentals of Electric Jet, Rocket, Nuclear, ION and
ELECTRIC Propulsion. - W.H. T. Loh 1968

The US has had real world "Spaceworthy" Antigravity vehicles since the mid sixties.

I have had lots of family working in those programs.

I am working on a 3 Volume Antigravity Vehicle Technology Handbook that your 15U Background should fully comprehend with full Engineering Confidence.

DOD/DOE Antigravity vehicles utilize a Fuselage coated in High K Dielectric that allows a Expanded Electrical Field (Fully Ionized) you intimate with a Shockwave to rarify the atmosphere into conduction. An electrical field is Physically oscillated in a laminar Collision-Commendable Flow, removing Friction by local Media Thermally lowered Adhesion.

These Ion Seed Gas Fields(Plasma Vacuum Bubble) Establish their own Soliton Magnetospheric Field when taken temperatures are taken to extremes.

In 1950-51 a USAF AFRL Engineer installed a Momentum Wheel for Command & Control of the Attitude and Orientation, in NAZI War trophy Saucer Shaped antigravity craft.
(They were death traps, no Attitude and Control System)
(Akin to Flying a ballon in a thunderstorm)
(These Momentum wheels are used today on Satellites and to GRIFT money from rich nice people.)

When piloting the old NAZI models, You had to wait randomly, while spinning like a Helium Balloon, waiting for the direction of desired travel to come into the forward Window. then hit a button to go forward,at incredible speed.

Before the installation of the Momentum Wheel, to hold Orientation during their weightless operations. Then Roll about the axis for reorientation. The NAZI MODELS never where still till they landed.

There are 2 Foo Fighter on Cut Away trainer Display in a military Facility near Sandia Mountain.

The Spherical Fuselages were made of Phenolic, about 2-inch wall thickness, Some type of polycarbonate plastic window, that yellows with age. (Not a FAA certifiable window plastic.) (Russian MIR reentry Vehicles were very similar in construction but better engineering.)

The NAZI understood Physics enough to know, all you need to do to achieve antigravity was geometric opposing High Voltage, Low Frequency, engineered signal pattern that would rides in the skin effect. Pushing the surrounding adiabatic Media Interfacial Surface off the fuselage to form a faint moving MESOSCOPIC vacuum layer of Oscillating ION and Electrons of various temperature.

The display FOO Fighter has 2 square wood box model T ignition transformers ran off a signal generator.

FOO Fighters were a good design after the installation of the Momentum/Inertial. Those models used super heat saturated IONIZED Helium Gas released in small <1mm ports. Upon release the Helium cools and pulls the vehicle, inertia less (from Field) Weightless (from interrupting surrounding medias interfacial nuclear force tensors.

Hmm.

I have been away from the program for 5 years now. But back in the late 1990's, we sent antigravity, Brilliant Pebbles Block 30, Photo and ELINT probes to all objects emitting RF signatures, within our Solar System.

Did we indeed?

Ambipolar material will store massive amounts of High energy in the form of Heat and convert the heat to electricity, like a battery.

When certain Ambipolar Materials are charge, they float in the air, in 1995, I saw a demonstration of Ambipolar cloth material when the Corning Engineer threw the piece of cloth in the air, it looked like it was stuck in a slow transiting magnetic field.

USAF has a Rival to the LHC under Sandia Mountain, with better sensor but poor ventilation and inadequate lighting

Hmm.

In 1992, It was SOP for AFRL Program Directors to tell Certified Technicians, "Alien Technology".

THE DOD/DOE has had such vehicles since 1953. Previous models were death traps.

My brother-in-law was a Navigation Systems Engineer in the USAF/side of those programs. He said, in 1953, a improvement was made.

NAZI developed vehicles had no Attitude control system. In early 1953, an engineer got the idea to install a giant fly wheel to stop the random rolling of the vehicle.

1 Gen NAZI Death Traps had no attitude control system. To Kinetically move, due to the antigravitational electric field

The Model in the picture has a rod on top,

The First models I worked on had Plutonium coated antenna. (Raspatory Hazzard, Suited PPE to maintain)

I swapped design over to a Incandescently heated Sintered Thorium Antenna. The conformal lip around the base of the antenna is not visible in the picture.

DISCLAIMER: I AM a LARP.

LARP = "Live Action Role Play", ie, just telling a science fiction story on the Internet. And indeed, perhaps it is.

Ah, here's the one I mentioned earlier.

The Calvine FUO was manufactured at the McGregor Texas RP-1 Plant, as a cover facility.

Engineering was a joint consortium ran by DOD/DOE.

Engineering on paper started about 1971.

Construction began in Dallas as sub-system components.

Engineers from Texas Instruments, E-Systems, General Dynamics and many other Texas based aerospace contractors.

Fixtures for Assembly were built up in 1975.

My brother-in-law worked for TI since the 1950's and had experience on one other Test Bed vehicle, circa 1963. My Brother-in-law was on the Navigation Attitude Heading and Reference Systems Engineering team for the Calvine UFO. He told me, the first flight of that 'poorly designed' model, was after 1976. He left that program in 1976 for a more secretive program, till his retirement 2012.

In 1994 the fixturing was still anchored in the foundation at McGregor.

SpaceX owns those facilities today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGregor,_Texas

McGregor is the site of the former Bluebonnet Ordnance Plant to make munitions during World War II. After the war, the site has been used by a number of companies to make rockets, including Phillips Petroleum Company, Rocketdyne, Hercules Inc. and Beal Aerospace.[13] SpaceX has a rocket engine development and test facility in McGregor that it acquired from defunct Beal Aerospace.

Note that Stan Deyo was from Texas, and claims to have been recruited in the 1970s by Dr James Robert Maxfield Jr of Dallas ( https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/625 ... t-maxfield ) into a covert UFO-and-antigravity club, which seems to have started his Townsend Brown obsession.

DOD/DOE X-Ray Lasers are capable of Detonating nuclear weapons in Enemies Silos.

That does seem like it would be a useful in-case-of-apocalypse toy. I wonder how you'd test it though.

Advanced technologies are hard to teach to PhDs.

There are less than 30 Engineers total in the entire US DOD/DOE Antigravity Engineering Programs.
The real program is small, less than 300 people involved.
Because the program is hidden from the public, the DOD doesn't get the best talent, and teaching is required to mentor incoming engineers or everything you learned in your career, will not be passed down.

There are few Physicists involved in the program, the ones I met were compartmentalized in their mind and they failed to grasp Standing Vacuum Waves. and most people I worked with had engineering degrees.

Physicist in these covert programs work Thermal transport problems due to the scale of thermal problems.

DOE project management practices are structurally & Socially Engineered to give DOD plausible deniability.

No government investigation will find the UAP research.

The technology is already in the textbooks, just not comprehended or realized by Academia.

There is no technology to hide, Most people are incapable of picking up a textbook and reading about Ion and Electron Plasma DYNAMIC Pressure, they would rather say it's hidden.

So here's another mental 'ping': The TMBspaceships description of their flying "propane tank", whether it's a LARP or not, is essentially "external combustion". The fuel (just jet fuel!) surrounds the vehicle and is sorta-kinda "burned" to make plasma which does weird electrical stuff up to and including interfacing with the "ether". What TMBspaceships calls "the hydrogen lattice".

In the 1970s, in a kid's book about this history of aeronautics, I remember a mention that "external combustion" was a next-generation propulsion thing being investigated. I was fascinated by that thought at the time (why burn fuel on the outside of the plane? What on earth would be the advantage?) but never heard much more about that since then. Edit: Seems like it was a ramjet thing, with some quirks of using the supersonic shockwave as the detonation surface. But then there's the "Flaming Pumpkinseed" ( https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thread ... seeds.814/ ) which starts to feel a bit weirder... and suggests that hypersonics might be one of the subcommunities where the normally-weird stuff perhaps intersects with the Townsendian-weird stuff. I've always felt that that's something hinky about hypersonics, as there is with plasma. TMBspaceships' brand of weird sits within both.

Is any of this true or plausible? As with anything in this zone, who knows. The writer of TMBspaceships sure has some extremely conspiratorial (run-of-the-mill far-right) notions which I haven't excerpted here. A couple of his claims seem to have some explanatory power: 1) if there's a very small number of people working the weird-plasma-propulsion projects and they're not trained in the usual college pathway and the physics they use is... well, very ad-hoc (as the hints from the 1970s suggested), they could really struggle with developing theory to applications, 2) if control and safety is and remains a major problem, that might also account for the lack of use of these things in combat. Maybe.

Regards, Nate

[natecull]

On "Coblentz optical radio": a search on both this forum and my backup of the Cosmic Token has no hits. Unless it was on one of the other forums (Lights on the Runway or The Quonset Hut), it might have been earlier than 2006, then, when I saw that subject discussed (in the *very* specific context of a communication mechanism for plasma antigravity craft, due to the plasma blocking RF waves) somewhere in the fringe media. Another one of those frustrating untraceable memories. There's not much to be found on the subject on Google, either. Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Coblentz ) claims that Coblentz was the head of the National Bureau of Standards Radiometry Department from 1905-1945, and was studying UV radiation since 1930, so makes sense that he would have been a top war scientist and could have been involved in putting such a thing in WW2 bombers, perhaps as a workaround for radio jamming. But I can't find specific references.

I've created a PDF copy of the whole TMBspaceships account (minus the meme images) and uploaded it to the Internet Archive here: https://archive.org/details/tmbspaceships

Nate

[natecull]

On "Coblentz optical radio": a search on both this forum and my backup of the Cosmic Token has no hits. Unless it was on one of the other forums (Lights on the Runway or The Quonset Hut), it might have been earlier than 2006, then, when I saw that subject discussed (in the *very* specific context of a communication mechanism for plasma antigravity craft, due to the plasma blocking RF waves) somewhere in the fringe media. Another one of those frustrating untraceable memories. There's not much to be found on the subject on Google, either. Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Coblentz ) claims that Coblentz was the head of the National Bureau of Standards Radiometry Department from 1905-1945, and was studying UV radiation since 1930, so makes sense that he would have been a top war scientist and could have been involved in putting such a thing in WW2 bombers, perhaps as a workaround for radio jamming. But I can't find specific references.

I've created a PDF copy of the whole TMBspaceships account (minus the meme images) and uploaded it to the Internet Archive here: https://archive.org/details/tmbspaceships

Edit: I'm getting the strangest sense of deja-vu about this particular story. Not just that the general concept sounds a little "Townsendian", but that I've specifically heard *this specific propulsion claim* before this account started Tweeting. Or at least the constellation of "propane" (or some other ridiculously low-tech-sounding fuel) plus "literal physical loudspeakers with low-frequency oscillations" (ie, 70 hz). The heated thorium antennas I'm not so sure about but could well have been in there too. Unfortunately, I can't pinpoint where.

Nate

[Jan Lundquist]

Nate, I agree on the Townsendian flavor of this tale.

I have a few quick takes.

External propulsion could have be hidden in the so-called ablative coatings of early REVs.

I note the mention of helium, rare on earth (more rare now that the Qatar supply has been damaged) but common in space. If it is true that Ionizing helium burns bight green, perhaps the summer of the green fireballs deserves a relook.

I believe this person said that the 1953 breakthrough (that brought attitude control to anti gravity) was the development of the momentum flywheel, as it would be called in future Satellite programs

I wonder if those were built at GE’s Corona Keyhole secret within a secret Valley Forge facility. According to an oral history of the program, the only way anyone made it into that group was by a personal testimony to their trustworthiness. No one outside the program knew of its existence.

Mr. “ Twigsnapper” hinted at secret programs that were piggybacked onto Satellite programs. Was this one of them?

The way the author describes the 30 person antigravity programs as staffed with a few PhDs, more EEs, who passed on an arcane canon of knowledge, sounds similar to the way Raymond Lavas was later brought into the B2 program, though he I think he said was working on the comms system, not propulsion.

Anyway, it was nice of the author to provide a suggested reading list. One might b able to put together an Intro to Anti-gravity curriculum based on that and other hints. Though its validity might be questionable.


Jan

[natecull]

Hi Jan

External propulsion could have be hidden in the so-called ablative coatings of early REVs.

REV as in Re-Entry Vehicles? I would have assumed that dumping the heat caused by air friction on re-entry was the biggest problem and the reason for ablative coatings, but re-entry certainly made studying the behaviour of plasma around an aerodynamic object a top priority in the 1950s-1960s.

I believe this person said that the 1953 breakthrough (that brought attitude control to anti gravity) was the development of the momentum flywheel, as it would be called in future Satellite programs

I wonder if those were built at GE’s Corona Keyhole secret within a secret Valley Forge facility. According to an oral history of the program, the only way anyone made it into that group was by a personal testimony to their trustworthiness. No one outside the program knew of its existence.

It does seem that in the early years of space, attitude control was a big problem and although it was well known fairly early on that spinning helped, exactly how things were spun up and down could well have fallen into the top secret basket.

Major-General William Neil McCasland's Masters thesis in 1981 appears to have been on part of the mathematics for the control problem for satellites using reaction wheels. Not exactly how to do it, because that was already known, but how to improve it. ("An optimal approach to computer control of a highly coupled satellite attitude loop" https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/49887 ) This might or might not relate to TMBspaceships being quite obsessed with the reaction wheel control problem as being critical to early "antigravity vehicles" as well.

The often encountered idea that the Germans had some kind of flying disc system (for example of the kind that John Frost at AVRO Canada was working on in the 1950s - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carver_Meadows_Frost ) but that the big problem was stability and control, tracks with TMBspaceship's claims, except for the weird vacuum-electrostatic stuff.

Anyway, it was nice of the author to provide a suggested reading list. One might b able to put together an Intro to Anti-gravity curriculum based on that and other hints. Though its validity might be questionable.

Yes, it's all a very "classical", non-quantum and non-relativistic, reading list, which no doubt delights hands-on radio (possibly even microwave/radar) engineers but generally makes theoretical physicists instantly dump it into the round file.

I remain very curious about why, by the 1970s (perhaps even in the 1950s), a style of underground literature began to appear in which people claiming to be affiliated with secret engineering programs began hinting about "the new ether physics", as if there were really such a thing. Right at the time when Relativity was triumphing in the universities and the generation who had grown up pre-Einstein were all retiring, so all traces of the word "ether" were being scrubbed from textbooks everywhere, leaving only the Standard Model and its matrix math of abstract particles/resonances/probabilities that, somehow, are their own medium for their own wave. I've never yet found an explanation for what the social movement was that these people might have been referring to. There just *isn't* anything matching an "ether physics" in the open physics community from the 1950s on, and remains not to be except in fringe sources, where it's very popular.

Edit: It now seems to be established, via the leaked Podesta emails, that McCasland was "the Major-General" mentioned by Tom DeLonge who was one of his primary advisors for his "Sekret Machines" book series.

Oh and I should mention that McCasland's wife, Susan McCasland Wilkerson, has a Youtube with some oddly appropriate songs.

"Southwest City" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge-_98DNHPY - She writes on Youtube that this song is actually autobiographical. I believe McCasland vanished from Sandia Heights, which is indeed the northeast corner of Albuquerque)

"Indigo Blues" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHaa2EkMtmo - the one that has the UFO forums raising their eyebrows, although I believe Susan's claim that it's was just a generic blues song from the Covid era with images taken from a Google search on the keyword "indigo". But if anyone's ever doing to do a McCasland disappearance documentary, that's the theme song.)


Regards, Nate

[Jan Lundquist]

Nate, I love the way you extract the meaty parts of a document. Each rereading leaves me mind boggled anew. If it is a LARP, someone certainly writes with from a deep well of knowledge.

To chase your question of why the renewed mention of ether physics, I don’t know of a “corresponding social movement “ either.

Smythe/Smyth also seemed to write in the same vein. If he was, as I believe, the author of the original text on electrostatic energy, i find it interesting that he chose the Correas ( I think that is the name), the ether physics proponents, to publish his densely informative first person account of a few critical years in the early days of WW II.

One of the many curious items in his reportage was about Wilhelm Reich loaning his orgone meter to Einstein, who kept it far beyond the agreed upon time. Maybe I am overthinking, but it seems odd that Smythe/Smyth would give so much time to a supposedly disgraced doctor, or that Einstein would hold on to worthless equipment. Reich subsequently authored “Ether, God and Devil, Superimposition” in 1949.

I feel like Smythe/Smyth was pointing to something in the center of that triangle that I am not smart enough to see.

Here’s one for your playlist:

https://wilhelmreichmuseum.org/listen-t ... gil-evans/



Jan

[Jan Lundquist]

Today’s gift from the universe reminds me that this is the question Townsend chased from the time he a nonlocal correlation between his electrometer and the triggering of a spark gap emitter next door in a shielded room.

Shih, Yanhua. “Ghost Frequency-Time Combs: Quantum Coherence in Classical and Entangled Laser Beams.” Academia Quantum 3, no. 1 (2026). doi:10.20935/AcadQuant8239.

The author has observed periodic coherence between non local CW lasers, one using quantum superpositioning of entangled particles and one based upon quantum superpositioning of entanglement probabilisties for those pairs.

We know so much more now than we did, then, and yet we still choke at the same questions.

Professor Google tells me that Reich thought of the ether as massless energy, moving through feminine and masculine channels which, when superimposed, produced a beneficial orgone energy. As a psychotherapist, he took this theory and used it to champion free love and guilt-free orgasms. But we don’t have to squint very hard to see his ideas as metaphors for electricity and electrical charges

This topic also reminds me that when Townsend Brown separated from the USN as an enlisted man, his last assignment at the NRL, in 1931, was to the physical optics department. I would dearly love to know what came out of that Department in the following years.

Jan