About "The Space Brothers"

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According to a "Twigsnapper" post, Bergier came to Washington in 1953, the year that Linda first saw the silver model of the scout ship. Are these events connected?

Strangely, in Linda's memory of events, it was only after the model appeared, that Townsend asked family friend and engineering draftsman Tommy (Of Tommy and Barbara, last name forgotten) to draw up large scale plans of it it. Why did he want them and what did he do with them?
For that matter, why did Leonard Cramp draw up plans of it too?

One might well say that the Adamski "Scout Ship" has a rather bell-like appearance to it, yes. For me, it's always given off creepy Nazi vibes, but that's probably just because it's built with 1930s design language (sort of midway between "streamlined" and "brutalist") and that decade's industrial products always creep me out.

On Adamski, I find myself personally most convinced by Mark Hallet's "A Critical Appraisal of George Adamski" (2015) - https://archive.org/details/ACriticalAp ... ceBrothers and the argument by Joel Carpenter (p58) that the top of Adamski's saucer exactly matches a lantern lid from Turner Brass Company. Certainly Adamksi's weird plate-based Brownie-camera with fuzzy optical telescope could not have taken snapshots of any moving object in real time. Although for some reason I have also always been drawn to Håkan Blomqvist of UFO Sweden (https://ufoarchives.blogspot.com/) who has mapped out the deep psychedelic strangeness in the reports of people around Adamski who, apparently, saw something very like the Scout Ship on multiple occasions.

Hallet's timeline:

November 1933 - George Adamski and his wife Mary buy a large house in Laguna Beach, California (the Claude Bronner house) to be the headquarters of Adamski's new spiritual group "The Royal Order of Tibet". He was previously preaching for a spiritual group "The Order of Loving Service".

1940 - for unknown reasons Adamski and his followers (and Mary, who fades from the historical record at this point) leave Laguna Beach and move to a farm in Valley Center near Mount Palomar

(It's probably a coincidence that Townsend Brown later moves to Laguna Beach in the 1940s... but presumably Laguna was a bit of a hotspot for people with off-mainstream ideas)

"early 1940s" - Ray Palmer (of Fate Magazine, but at that time editor for other SF magazines) receives a manuscript from Adamski for a science-fiction novel involving Jesus returning to earth on a spacecraft, which he chooses not to publish because the subject was too scandalous

1944 - Adamski moves to "Palomar Gardens" on Mount Palomar and builds a cafe and sets up a (poor quality, badly mounted) telescope

1944 - Adamski "writes" (actually ghostwritten by his secretary Lucy McGinnis) a science-fiction novel "Pioneers of Space", which contains many elements that would later appear in "Inside the Flying Saucers", and which might be a toned-down version of his rejected Ray Palmer submission

6 October 1946 - during a meteor shower in San Diego, Adamski claims to see a cigar-shaped object motionless in the sky with several other witnesses. One of these witnesses was apparently (per Loren E Gross) the medium Mark Probert, friend of Meade Layne, of Borderland Sciences Research Foundation/Associates. Meade Layne knew nothing about Townsend Brown at this time, and wouldn't until December 1954 at the very earliest (per letters in the Gray Barker collection - Layne, like others in the UFO community, and apparently like Jacques Cornillon if we believe his words, only learned about Townsend because of the 1952 Mason Rose "Flying Saucers" publicity wave and paper, and even then not until 1954/55. Once Layne, and then his successor Riley Crabb, learned about Townsend's gravity claims, he became an advocate in his Borderland circle, though he just added Townsend - and for some reason the Philadelphia Experiment - to his many other UFO/psychic/radionics interests).

June 1947 - Kenneth Arnold sighting puts "flying saucers" in the public eye

1949 - Adamski shifts from lecturing on post-Theosophy to lecturing on flying saucers

1950 - Frank Scully's "Behind the Flying Saucers" (claimed to be a fraud in 1952 and 1956 by John Philip Cahn in True Magazine) describes a story reported to him of an alleged saucer crash in Aztec, New Mexico, introducing the concepts of dead alien bodies, military cover-up, and a three-hemisphere landing gear

March 21, 1950 - Adamski lectures on flying saucers are published in San Diego Journal and Tribute

July 1951 - Adamski writes articles (with Maurice Weekley) about viewing strange lights in the sky with telescopes, published in Ray Palmer's Fate Magazine

September 18, 1951 - classic SF film The Day The Earth Stood Still opens featuring Klaatu, a silver-suited spaceman

1952 - Ray Palmer republishes Adamski's articles, with others from Fate Magazine, in "The Coming of the Saucers" with Kenneth Arnold

June 1952- radio personality Walter Winchell mentions that "a scientist from Mount Palomar" (Adamski) had met extraterrestrials

November 18, 1952 - Adamski claims to meet a saucer at Desert Center, with several companions, who do not actually see the saucer. He describes to his friends the "Venusian" he meets, with a costume much like Klaatu from TDTESS, and also claims to have photographed the saucer

November 24, 1952 - the Phoenix Gazette, Arizona publishes the first blurry Adamski saucer picture (p37 in Hallet, a reconstructed version - original provided by veteran Forteana researcher Michael Swords. This photo was apparently ignored by the UFO community until republished in 2000 by Hallet.)

December 13, 1952 - Adamski reports a second contact with a moving aerial saucer at Mount Palomar, with clearer pictures (taken, extremely improbably, with his cumbersome plate/Brownie/telescope camera which would take "over 40 operations", presumably minutes, to set up each shot).

(These extremely unconvincing photos of 1952 - for some reason - become famous in the UFO community, even for highly connected military-adjacent people like Townsend Brown.)

( 1953 ) Clara Little John's "The Little Listening Post" republishes and completely rewrites the November 24 Phoenix Gazette story, including reports of the December 13 1952 pictures.

(1953) Waveny Girvan from publishing house Werner Laurie in London reads "The Little Listening Post" account. He also has a manuscript for a UFO book by Desmond Leslie. He contacts both Adamski and Leslie and sets up a joint book deal.

(when in 1953 exactly did Linda see the Scout Ship model? and when exactly did Clara John cross Townsend's path?)

September 30, 1953 - The Adamski/Leslie book "Behind the Flying Saucers" is released in the UK and then later in the USA. Adamski becomes an international celebrity.

February 15, 1954 - 13-year-old Stephen Darbishire in Coniston, Lancashire claims to see UFOs looking like the Scout Ship, and takes photographs. It turns out later that he had already seen photos of the Scout Ship from Behind The Flying Saucers advertising material, and Hallet's suspicion is that he faked his photos using 2D images. Stephen later (circa 1959, after meeting and becoming disillusioned with Adamski) claims that he did fake them, but later still in life (2001, to David Clarke and Andy Roberts) will neither confirm nor deny and merely say that he photographed "an object". See Clarke and Roberts' 2001 article in Magonia Magazine, which is a little more ambiguous and suggests Stephen still believed in 2001 that his experience was real: http://magoniamagazine.blogspot.com/201 ... shire.html

(1954) Leslie meets Darbishire and involves Leonard Cramp of the British Interplanetary Society (a serious rocket advocacy group; Arthur C Clarke was Clairman 1946-1947 and 1951-1953p: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_I ... ry_Society) who believes the saucer is a real object.

May 15, 1954: An article about Darbishire by Leslie published in Australian magazine "Pix":
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-473090858/vi ... 8/mode/1up

(1954) Cramp publishes "Space, Gravity and the Flying Saucer" involving his detailed imaginary "plans" of the Venusian Scout Ship, and his speculation that it runs on gravity. (A fairly Townsendian line of thinking). Introduction by Desmond Leslie. Republished in the USA in 1955. Available to read on Internet Archive (login and borrow required): https://archive.org/details/bwb_W7-CRL- ... 5/mode/2up

One of the things mentioned very early in Cramp's 1954/55 book (p32) is a "falling leaf" or "pendulum" motion of flying saucers, which we know Townsend Brown also commented on as being "ours", whatever that meant to him.
Two Brazilian reporters, Ed Keffel and Joac Martins... Ilha dos Amores (Isle of Lovers), in the district of Barra da Tijuca, Brazil... 7th May 1952... "a circular disc moving soundlessly... blue-grey in colour and definitely not glowing, but metallic in appearance... started tp slip in 'pendulum fashion', losing height just like a falling leaf from a tree. It then accelerated at a terrific rate and disappeared the way it had come, out to sea.
September 1952... Topcliffe, Yorks R.A.F. Station... object was silver and circular in shape, about ten thousand feet up... while descending it was swinging in a pendulum fashion from left to right... it stopped its descent and hung in the air, rotating as if on its own axis. Then it accelerated at an incredible speed to the west, turned south-east and then disappeared.

Meanwhile (1956)
The second dumpling is this, taken from published newspapers account of the founding of NICAP. According to Townsend, he hoped the organization would be able to raise enough money to put out a magazine called Space Flight... Curiously, that was the same year the British Interplanetary Association published the first edition of their venerable SpaceFlight magazine.
Ding! There's that British Interplanetary Association connection again.

The Internet Archive doesn't have full issues of Spaceflight, but it does have indexes. Here's the index for Spaceflight's first two years, October 1956 to October 1958. https://archive.org/details/sim_spacefl ... x/mode/1up

We've seen how the Adamski story jumped straight from California to England. What exactly was Townsend doing in London in November 1955, and for who? We know about the Paris link, but London? As that article says:
He expects to be around for Nov 15, when he goes back to London as research director for Whitehall-Rand. He's also a consulting physicist in Paris for a French aircraft company.
The British UFO scene quietly included a lot of very high-ranking people, as Clarke and Roberts mention in 2001:
Flying saucers arrived in the British Isles in the late summer of 1950, when two popular weekend newspapers, the Sunday Dispatch and the Sunday Express, launched a major media promotion campaign. Both papers competed to serialise the seminal books by Major Donald Keyhoe Flying Saucers are Real, Frank Scully’s Behind the Flying Saucers and Gerald Heard’s Riddle of the Flying Saucers. Behind the scenes, the editor of the Sunday Dispatch, Charles Eade, was quietly encouraged to promote flying saucer stories bv his friend Lord Mountbatten, whom he had served as Press officer during the Second World War (3). Mountbatten, who was at that time a personal believer in the ET origin of the saucers, felt the subject should be taken seriously and wanted to make the public aware of the ‘evidence.’
Before the March was out Stephen had been invited to a saucer-spotters convention in London where delegates scrutinised blurry enlargements of his photograph. He recalls how “it all got rather hysterical and one chap leapt up and said he could see a face in a porthole.”

It was during this visit to London in March 1954, that Stephen and his father were secreted into a car and driven to Buckingham Palace to meet one of the Duke of Edinburgh’s private secretaries. It was claimed the invitation came from the Palace via Desmond Leslie who had contacts at ‘the highest level’. In fact, the Sunday Dispatch got wind of the meeting soon afterwards and reported how Prince Philip had read about Stephen’s sighting in the newspapers “and wanted to know more.” (14)

The Royal Equerry, RAF Squadron Leader Sir Peter Horsley was at that time involved in his own “saucer” study with the blessing of the Duke, and “the Darbishire boys” became the latest in a series of saucer-spotters who were invited to his office to discuss their sightings. In his autobiography, Horsley says he was “impressed by their story and truthfulness” and notes Dr Darbishire “was not relishing the publicitv and notoriety the family were receiving from the newspapers.” Horsley sent a report of the meeting to the Duke, who was in Australia at the time, and asked a professional photographer, Wallace Heaton, to examine the negatives. His conclusion said, in summary: “Yes, they could have been faked but they were so good it would have cost quite a lot of money.” This left the RAF veteran puzzled: how could an ordinary farming family find the money to finance an elaborate hoax and even if they had, what was their motivation? “Was there a wider conspiracy?” he mused. (15)

Stephen Darbishire’s visit to Buckingham Palace was just the beginning of a series of adventures which led him and his family further and deeper into the bizarre world of the flying saucer cult. Visitors called in at the Darbishire family home without invitation, and letters arrived by the sackful including one from none other than Lord Dowding, the Battle of Britain hero – another highly placed saucer believer at that time. In 1959 Stephen was introduced by Desmond Leslie to George Adamski at a meeting held in London during the contactee’s lecture tour of Britain and Europe. Stephen, who was by then attending art school, remained “unimpressed” by the contactee who he dismissed as “mad, mad as a hatter… somewhere else altogether.” It was at this stage, Stephen told us in 2001, that he asked himself: “How can I be involved in this, how can I actually be sitting here with these people?”

The teenager was by now feeling increasingly that he was pawn in other people’s games, that the photo was no longer his property “…all I was being used for was an instrument of verification.” As a result he decided the best way out was to put the word around that his photos were in fact fakes so he could go back to living a normal life.

In a letter sent to UFO author Timothy Good in 1986 Stephen told how “…in desperation I … said it was a fake.” (16) But as Alex Birch and others who followed in Stephen’s footsteps were later to find, the ‘hoax’ declaration did not bring an end to the notoriety – rather the opposite: “I was counter-attacked, accused of working with the `Dark Powers’ … or patronisingly ‘understood’ for following orders from some secret government department.”

While Stephen remained detached from the strange characters and even stranger beliefs that surrounded his experience, he found the biggest impact of all was upon the lives of his parents. Following the experiences of 1954, Dr Darbishire underwent what his son described as “a midlife crisis.” The visitors and attention his family received from the flying saucer movement opened up a whole new world of possibilities and Darbishire senior became drawn into the world of the occult, collecting a huge library of books on a range of esoteric subjects. The workshop at his farm became a laboratory where he constructed strange machines that utilised revolving lights to detect the human aura and effect alternative cures. Similarly, Stephen’s mother was also profoundly affected by the experience and became more interested in the spiritual world.
Hallet thinks of this spiritual "midlife crisis" of Darbishire's parents as a very bad thing, and while that could be the case, it doesn't necessarily have to have been. It would be interesting to know what the ultimate effect of it was, looking back.

In 2004, Darbishire was still claiming his encounter was real to the Westmorland Gazette:

https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk ... t-and-ufo/
Speaking to The Westmorland Gazette, well-known artist Mr Darbishire, now 63 and living in Whinfell, wished the artist luck but said the encounter with the flying saucer had definitely not been faked.

"We just went up the fell and took the photograph of it. I was with my cousin at the time. This thing, whatever it was, appeared, we took a photograph of it. I fell over the camera at one point. When we took it down, everybody laughed at us. I've no idea what it was."

He said the publication of the photograph, encouraged by his father, generated years of unwelcome attention. "For two years, every weekend was taken up with people coming and sitting on the lawn. Most of the people who came were sort of on some religious trip, that's the best way to put it. To a 14-year-old, it was a bit of a joke."
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Holy cow, you are amazing, Nate.

I am time limited, but stopping part way through your message to reply to this:


(when in 1953 exactly did Linda see the Scout Ship model? and when exactly did Clara John cross Townsend's path?)

Clara, I don't know but I believe Linda finished second grade in Zanesville, while Townsend was on the hop from LA to Cleveland, To GE to DC.

By Autumn of 53, she was living with her boring grandparents in NW Washington and playing hooky from her new school, while Jo and Townsend resided in Cornillion's DC home," filled with fragile antiques.

If my memory is accurate, this suggest that Linda saw the model on her father's desk in the last quarter of the year ? But what desk, where?

Was a desk in the Laundry operations. The laundry was area fitted out with leather chairs, and an aquarium to keep his Embassy Row customers comfortable, happy, and chatty? But I think Townsend's desk area was behind a half wall, which seems to be a public place for such a rare piece of art.

Or was it a desk elsewhere? TBF under "questions I shoulda asked."

But I can't forget the unique cradle skills and connections Townsend' carried with him from learning the sand molding business at his engineer father's knee, in a region of plentiful Sandusky clay and a thriving pottery trades industry. Which leaves me with a still longer list of more unanswerable questions.

Might he have commissioned the model while he was in the area, working at Brush?

But, if he did, then where did the drawings originate? From his own head or from something he had seen or seen a representation of? Or did someone else provide the sketch for the model?

Were the after the fact drawings Townsend had Tommy prepare the first set Townsend had in his possession, or were they a second set intended to be released into the wild. Were they same ones Cramp would receive?


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*But it was 1955 before Cornillion introduced Townsend to his employers with a song and dance about how he had finally chased him down, had him over for dinner in his DC home, and hoped to host him again the next week, in his home in Pennsylvania.

I believe Linda also has a memory, perhaps from their time in Leesburg,when Townsend was living in DC and being chauffered to and fro by Sarbacher of witnessing a meeting attended by her father, Sarbacher, and Cornillion. They must have been planning the Paris Trip.
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Holy cow, you are amazing, Nate.
A little tunnel-focused, perhaps. Trying not to be too much. A lot of this material was stuff I found back in the Cosmic Token era, but it's been out of my head and in small pieces. I want to try to get it a little closer together.
But, if he did, then where did the drawings originate? From his own head or from something he had seen or seen a representation of? Or did someone else provide the sketch for the model?

Were the after the fact drawings Townsend had Tommy prepare the first set Townsend had in his possession, or were they a second set intended to be released into the wild. Were they same ones Cramp would receive?
I believe Leonard Cramp did not receive any drawings. Cramp was a competent technical illustrator in his own right. He had the Adamski photographs, and Stephen Darbishire's blurry photographs, and he compared the two and then extrapolated. There actually aren't that many illustrations in "Space, Gravity and the Flying Saucer"; the most dramatic (and most imaginative) cutaway one is on the cover. The others are flat side projections based on the Adamski photograph.

The cover image is interesting because it shows the unique internal "power pillar" which is something that Adamski claimed in his (I think) as-yet-unpublished "Inside the Space Ships", published in 1955 (if we don't count "Pioneers of Space", 1944/1949, as an early draft, which I think in fact it is). I have to assume that Cramp got that idea of what the internals looked like from talking to Leslie, who had talked to Adamski.

Edit: Nope! According to Cramp in 2001 ("The A.T. Factor", p65) he had no prior idea of what the interior of Adamski's scout ship was "supposed" to look like. He read a draft of "Inside The Space Ships", but in 1955.
I must confess I was surprised and excited to learn what Adamski had to say. Thumbing through the pages, one of the first chapters I came across entailed the description of the interior of the scout. Naturally I warmed to the fact that my own illustrated portrayal was quite close to his description.
Then in a letter to me Adamski congratulated me on my artist's impression depicted on the dust jacket of my "Space, Gravity and the Flying Saucer". He wanted to know if I had ever been invited on board a scout ship or knew anyone who had, as he thought the representation was uncommonly accurate. He made particular reference to the central column of the craft shown in his sketch in "Inside The Space Ships". His quoted remarks included 'It's the closest thing that anyone could possibly get.'
So that's weird. And I still think Adamski was a proven repeated liar. But there's a distinct smell of something like "tulpas/thoughtforms" around the Scout Ship: something that has an existence in people's minds, and doesn't seem to play by normal rules of causality and information flow.

Also, the gravity speculations in "Space, Gravity, and the Flying Saucer" don't really match Townsend's preoccupations at all. Instead, Cramp is fascinated by the possibility of somehow flipping the "sign" of gravity to repulsion, and with the extremely fringe "rays of creation" ether theory of someone from Yorkshire called "Antony Avenel" (real name Antony Parker), who he gives an entire chapter. (Cramp is still impressed with Avenel/Parker in his 1967 sequel, "Piece for a Jig-Saw", while giving his real name, but I honestly don't see the attraction - his "theory" seems empty of physical content to me.)

I haven't yet managed to read in full Cramp's later books ("The Cosmic Matrix", 1999, and "The A.T. Factor", 2001) but here's a Google Books excerpt of The A.T. Factor with Cramp talking about his involvement in making the first book. Hopefully a few pages are readable. Cramp describes himself, already in 1953, as "a UFOlogist of long standing", which is why Desmond Leslie called on him. He was also involved in the seance/mediumship community (in "Space, Gravity" he mentions being in a seance in 1947 in which levitation occurred). There seems to be a substantial "woo" factor around Cramp at the time of making the book (of the interesting kind: synchronicities, trance channelled aliens, and precognitive dreams featuring the Adamski saucer, a little like how Linda recalls her and Townsend's shared dream circa 1955).

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=vqD ... &q&f=false

Avenel/Parker turns up later as a local UFO guru in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, in a bizarre 1957 UFO "recovered materials" case with an interesting addendum: https://www.ufocasebook.com/silphosaucer.html
As the cash was provided by Mr. Parker/Avenel the object was immediately taken to him at his Scalby Cottage. It was about 45 cm (18 inches) in diameter and shaped like a flattened spinning top. The upper dome was white whilst the base was copper with some unusual hieroglyphics etched into it. These looked like some form of shorthand appended by what appeared to be a numerical key.

A small electric drill was used to cut through the thick axis which held the two hemispheres firmly together. Inside was what looked like a roll of copper with a coil of hollow tubing wrapped tightly around it. Ashes and a white powder covered the inside. When the roll was carefully removed from the coils it was found to open out in a small book.

This had a total of seventeen pages, each made of copper foil and covered with inscriptions similar to those seen on the outer casing. The scroll measured approximately 15 cm x 12 cm (6 by 5 inches) and had a thick piece of copper as a back cover. This appeared to have some time have been subjected to intense heat.

The copper backing was slightly larger then the individual pages. Each piece of copper foil was stamped with about fourteen lines of writing, made up of almost entirely of T's and V's at different angles.
There has been an interesting sequel to this saga. I have received an e-mail from a totally reliable source who told me that he knew of the whole incident.

The saucer was in fact one of a batch of secret surveillance objects code named PF228. Three of those launched went astray, two falling into the Atlantic, the other being lost somewhere over northern Britain.

He recognised my description of the object as he was working at the base at the time of their launch. They were (he claimed) deliberately disguised as UFOs for the very reason that we discovered. If one were to be found, no-one would believe anyone about it.

It was secretly purchased back from the finders for an undisclosed amount of 'hush-money'.

© Paul Grantham. This article has appeared in the 1 February 1997 issue of Haunted Scotland.
A secret surveillance object, hmm?

Edit: A 2023 blog about the incident, including pictures! https://ciphermysteries.com/2023/07/26/ ... er-mystery

The blogger acknowledges that the pictures actually come from the Flying Saucer Review July-August 1958 ( http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia ... ,N%204.pdf )

Yes, that whole Cornillon-in-1953 business is vexing. If Townsend and Cornillon did indeed know each other in 1953, how did they really meet and why did they think lying about their relationship was necessary? Was the context secret, or just personally embarrassing to reveal (because it might cast Cornillon as more biased toward Townsend and less scientific in his appraisal, than was saleable to a group like the Paris aircraft company)?

Okay, here's another weird (but much more Townsendian) anectote from Cramp's "The A.T. Factor":
In April of that same year [1956] I joined the aerospace and test tank establishment then known as Saunders Roe Ltd, at Cowes on the island. This company was later to become the world famous British Hovercraft Corporation. At that time the company's projects included rocket and jet propelled (mixed unit) prototype aircraft designated P53 and P177 together with the Black Knight and Blue Streak rocket launcher programs. By then my book had long been published and withdrawn
Then on one notable occasion our then assistant chief aerodynamicist, the late Dick Stanton Jones, asked me to drop in for a chat... It appeared that at the last meeting with several visiting Four Star Generals from the Pentagon... the visitors seemed somewhat distant... asking random general 'fringe' questions with more than a hint or two about gravity... the general sitting opposite Dick, while still in mid-sentence concerning the aircraft, suddenly leaned forward and red in the face and with half strangled hiss said "Damn it man, give me a break, what are you getting for your negative mass ratios?" Dick could only guess what the name of the game was and taking a stab in the dark proffered the first mischievous retort that came into his head... "about 0.05 or thereabouts". Whereupon after a cliff hanger pause the general beamed gratefully, slumped back into his chair, and then as if nothing had happened, resumed sudden rekindled interest in the aircraft!
"Negative mass ratios", aka "gravitational isotopes", is very specifically what Townsend was pitching as the "static" phase of Winterhaven circa 1955-1959. Whether or not it ever worked, it seems plausible that someone in the US high command could have been buying the idea.

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Random recollections, Nate.

I recall that in his oral history, Louis Witten, scoffed at the idea that some Midwestern scientist had theorized that there could be lighter than air isotopes of bismuth, while saying that a guy named Townsend in France had discovered some sort of metamaterial?

But Martin (of Martin/Marietta/Lockheed ) was interested in gravity/antigravity research long before the R.I.A.S. was established. To see my evidence, scroll down to the second or third part of Michael Swords' post, past "Uncle Albert's" picture and look for the image on the left that says Martin Team Pursues Anti-gravity Study from Aviation Week, October 18, 1951? or is it 1954?

https://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/se ... send+Brown

If the date is 1951, then anti-gravity interest was well on the rise (groan) by the time Witten, Sr. came into the picture

The publication date of October 18 also places it a few days after Truman landed in Hawaii (October 13, on his way to meet General MacArthur on Wake Island. According to the story we were given, Townsend gave a demonstration on Barber's point for Truman and his Secretary of the Navy, Dan Kimball. All we can say for sure from "records on the ground" is that Truman and Kimball made a half hour stop there at the end of their jeep tour of Oahu.

To state the obvious: No civilian scientist would be given a lab of his own on a Naval Air Station without some heavy connections behind him, and well connected is what Townsend was. By 1951, his "circle of influence" most certainly included senior members of the NRL, the Naval Security Group (the model for the future NSA), the CIA and the AEC. (The Air Force would not be brought into that circle until 1952, with a demonstration for General Bertrandias and the NSA would not be established until 1953.)

Who was Townsend ostensibly working for while in Hawaii? Was it Martin? Did the company release the article in anticipation of the success of his demonstration? (For the youth among us, that was In the days, when magazine proofs were cut and pasted days in advance of print dates.)

Of course, if the date is 1954, then a whole new set of questions must be asked.


On the topic of the UFO that was dissassembled, could the conjoined copper pages with "heiroglyphs" have been some sort of primitive computer?

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