" JUST KNEW AHEAD OF TIME"

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moved so many times

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Its bugged me for a long time why it was that Townsend Brown moved his family so many times. Have you noticed? If they stayed in one place for more than six months his daughter was probably lucky! Yet each time they moved they moved as if it was a permanent thing. They apparently set up housekeeping, Josephine unpacked her green tea pot . Of course that didn't last long. But if he thought they were going to be constantly on the move like that why didn't he just let his family stay in one place while he traveled? Why did they have to go with him? I mean even the expense alone makes no sense.

You are going to all think that I am nuts but I think that picture NEXT showed me why he moved! And I KNEW it the moment the scene came on and I realized what was happening. Others said that Dr. Brown moved because of his committments ( Mr. Twigsnapper said "a bee goes from hut to hut") and I think alot of that is true. BUT HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT AND LEFT HIS FAMILY IN ONE HOME. Was he worried about "bad guys" getting to his family. Well, duh, yeah, I guess. Armed men living with them? But why would you drag them along? Why wouldn't you find a secure place for them under a different name?

But just watch the way that Nicolas Cage character ducks and weaves through the Casino ( got to go see it again to just try to find the redhead Victoria. Damn why didn't you tell me that BEFORE I saw the movie) Anyway ... WATCH what he does and how he does it. Every step is planned ahead of time. Every small move.

THATS what Townsend Brown was doing Paul. Really! I am serious! Every move he made was without notice and just one step ahead of something I BELIEVE HE COULD SEE HAPPENING. And if you SEE it.... as they stressed in the movie ...... you change things .... The mere act of seeing it, changes it. THATS WHAT HE WAS DOING. MOVING HIS FAMILY BEFORE SOMETHING BAD COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE HE SAW IT HAPPENING. What a horrendous strain that must have been for him! Even Morgan said once that " Dr. Brown looked off as if he was seeing something else" REMEMBER?

OK, call the guys to haul me away. But you know something. I just know that this is right!

Paul .... just watch the way he avoids the people who are after him in that Casino. He is just a moment ahead and they miss him entirely! Dr. Brown took his family with him like Cage took the FBI agents with him later in the movie! Pausing here ... turning right, turning left .... stopping.... spinning one way and then the other ... going up stairs, down stairs . Like that Tilt A Whirl! but you are right! He was at the controls.

I am right! Aren't I?

Can you ask Linda Brown for me Paul? Does this feel right for her too?

And what did she think of that movie? Has she seen it yet? I thought of her many times while watching the movie and realized that in my mind Cage represented her Dad and his concern for the girl and his instance that she be kept "out of it" (because she was such an important part of it) is EXACTLY what Linda Browns father did for her. This is just wierd to be so sure of something. grinder
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Next...

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...yeah, right. I seem to be stuck in my own version of "Next," otherwise known to you regulars as "Chapter 58." It seems to be going one-word-at-a-time, with long pauses between words... sometimes li'dat, as we used to say in the Islands...

Meanwhile, Elizabeth, no doubt thinking that looking in the other direction will make it easier to see what's in front of me, gave me a heads up about this discussion.

About the same time, I got an alert to this article, which page has the trailer for "Next" plugged in:

http://www.independent.com/news/2007/ma ... ut-future/

...which page mostly got my attention for this quote:

"The best proof that time travel is impossible is that George Bush is still president. If it were possible to change this through time travel, somebody would have derigged that election by now."

Sadly, the logic in that statement seems almost.... how to put this.... ah.... "unimpeachable."

If I'm still feeling fuzzy-brained tomorrow, maybe I'll haul myself off to bijou (oh boy, popcorn!) and see if I can find Victoria in the casino scene.

--PS
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yes, go

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Yes Paul! Go to the movie. Elizabeth is right on this one. You need to go see the show!

Its a great popcorn movie. And grinder is right. I couldn't stop thinking of Dr. Brown either. I know that he had technological stuff at his disposal but I do think he also had a certain sense about him that was different than some other people.

Remember what you wrote about how Dr. Brown approached Josephine when they first dated? Remember? You wrote that she had already decided that she was going to turn him down when he asked for a date. She had heard rumors that he was "interested in her" ( Boy, High school all over again, remember what THAT was like?) BUT he never gave her the chance. It was almost as if like the Cage character, he could see all the different routes and then picked the one that would be sucessful. He went to her father, asked for permission to date her. What could she say then? One step ahead of her. And when Cage opted to get slugged so that she could pick the poor man up off of the floor. THAT was classic Dr. Brown I think!

And if you look carefully at almost all of his other interactions with people he seems to still be that one step ahead. But maybe, just like in the movie, there was something special about his relationship with his daughter, (or maybe it was Morgan, now there is a thought.) One of them was able to go beyond perhaps. But look how dangerous that would have made things for the people that he loved. Look what Cage went through in his mind! Won't spoil it for you but sure pay attention to the dialogue. Almost EVERYTHING SAID relates to what we have been talking about.

And note the Port of Los Angeles shots too. Nice to know those guys in black are on our side. I loved the scene where he is just walking toward his destination and he is flanked by agents with guns drawn. (notice, chillingly that some are shot and go down) Again. Dr. Brown .... and Mr. Twigsnapper .... and others in countless situations I will just bet.
Go see. Victoria
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old comment

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This is for you Paul when you start worrying so hard about putting one word ahead of the other just right.

"AAoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe."

And in this story I think much of the same thing is happening. Just anchor those important sections and the rest we will be able to read just fine.

I just wanted you to know how much I appreciate how hard you work. Elizabeth
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Cabazon

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So.... Victoria

You were at the cabazon reservation in the movie ... is that right?

Your friend who works in "Security"..... Does he know much about Cabazon?

Did he know about the "Joint Venture with Wackenhut" back in the 80s

That is.... The Cabazon tribal joint venture with the largest security company in the world.

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Cabazon

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Did you know that means " Big Head"?

Just a little bit of insignificant trivia.

If you have seen the movie you will recognize the Morongo Casino in the background while the bad guys are shooting off a kneecap or two. Like everything, you would not see it unless you already knew it.

It was the Morongo Indians that hosted that scene and others . The town where their Casino is located is right next to Cabazon, which is a little town right next to the railroad that runs from LA through Palm Springs and on East. I think that the Cabazon Indian reservation is further toward Palm Springs but I have never visited there so I don't know.

I suspect that my friend might know about that situation but you know when I get a raised eyebrow I don't ask much more!

So why did you bring that up Trickfox? You know how strange this forum is. One thing always seems to lead to something else. Its always a question though, which turn do you make in this rabbit hole? Victoria
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jumping in

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A new turn in this rabbit hole? Why not!

I took three names Wackenhut ( which I happen to know at that time was a BIG name in security....) Cabazon ...... why not? ... and not to forget why we are all here Townsend Brown. AND JUST LOOK WHAT POPPED UP.

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/inquiry/c ... enhut.html

Now, How deep is this hole folks???????????

"According to Riconosciuto, Videnieks was a frequent visitor to the Cabazon Indian reservation near Palm Springs and visited with tribal manager, John P. Nichols. Nichols was in essence Riconosciuto's boss in a number of enterprises conducted on reservation land and the PROMIS modification was just one of these projects. According to Riconosciuto, in an interview with T.C. conducted from jail, the PROMIS software was modified to install a backdoor access for use by American intelligence services. The software was then sold to 88 different countries as a sort of 'trojan horse' package enabling us to access their intelligence systems. According to Riconosciuto these countries included Iraq and Libya."

HUH?

"Among the projects worked on during this time were joint projects with WACKENHUT, a company loaded with former CIA and NSA personnel and business ventures with the Saudi Arabian royal family and other unusual projects."

huh, huh? STARTING TO TUMBLE DOWN THE HOLE HERE FOLKS

A joint venture with Southern California Edison will soon be generating power for bio-mass drawn from local waste outlets. Biological warfare projects were investigated with Stormont laboratories looking into the creation of 'pathogenic viruses' and enhanced fuel-air explosive weapons were created and tested in league with Meridian Arms at the NEVADA TESTING RANGE which matched the explosive power of nuclear devices.

"These enhanced weapons gained their power from polarizing the molecules in the gas cloud by modification of the electric field, a technology developed from exploring Thomas Townsend Brown's suppressed work, a knowledge which Riconosciuto claims he gained from working at LEAR in Reno, Nevada.

what???????? Paul???????????? You see this???????????? somebody join me in this???? Its getting creepy being by myself in the dark down here!

Lear?????? is that Bill Lear????? grinder
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worm hole

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It's not a rabbit hole, it's a wormhole. there are "two mouths" to it and you can't see either side of the asymptote called "Deception"

John Lear would be a good person to ask for sure but he's like Bill Moore, he won't dare comment. He's busy warning everyone about the Grey Aliens.

I had a long look at everything on the other side of this wormhole and it looks like deception from both sides of the asymptote.

I'm more interested in exactly what technology was claimed by Riconosciuto to be related to Thomas Townsend Brown, it's pretty difficult to create mathematical deception when it comes to Brown's formulas, and forces.

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not there!

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Trickfox and grinder,

Paul can speak for himself of course, but personally I am not going down that particular rabbit hole. You are right Trickfox, its not a rabbit hole, its a wormhole, a negative one.

I went down into it too a long time ago, following pretty much the path that you had mentioned about the Cabazon Indians, Wackenhut, the CIA , lets see .... yes ... the NSA ... the cast just got bigger and bigger and bigger. And the name of Townsend Brown kept popping up. But if you go as far as I did you will notice that what is generally said is "BASED ON THE WORK OF" Townsend Brown.

And thats the clue I finally took and the pass I finally took on all that material. I don't want to go down into that hole, its too complicated and too sinister for me! Anyone else out there want to, have at it. I have a feeling whatever was "developed" with this crowd Townsend Brown probably wouldn't have approved of and didn't have much of a say about anyway, so I figure, as far as I am concerned its really not part of HIS story and not particularly in my realm.

As I said, Paul might feel differently and if he wants, really , to go there .... well, I will at least have company! But like you grinder. I don't like it down that particular hole. Its full of creepy stuff.

And the mention of John Lear just brings all that ..."grey aliens dipping themselves" stuff to the surface and I don't much like going there either. (Hard to please huh?)
So unless you guys are really dead set on going there I think I'll take that pass. Plates full already. Elizabeth
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Agreed

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Elizabeth

You and I agree on this issue. I DID go into that wormhole and found the technology that WAS related to Dr. Brown. Like you said, the type of end products developed using T.T. Brown principles were not things Dr. Brown would be proud to be part of.

Someone was bound to find out about this loose end of the story and now that we have touched upon it, let it be known that it is a dead end, and that I had to snake my way back out of that negative wormhole to tell everyone that it's not worth getting involved because there are no solutions there.... only more negativity and plenty of deception!!

At this point I suspect Paul will come to the same conclusion.
besides..... We all KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that this thread would end as it does.

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Re: visions and authors

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twigsnapper wrote:On the author of The Golden man ... from which NEXT was drawn
Philip K Dick, of course.

"In February and March 1974, Dick experienced a series of visions and auditions including an information-rich "pink light" beam that transmitted directly into his consciousness. A year after the events, in March 1975, Dick summarized the 2-3-74 experiences that would pervade his writing for the final eight years of his life:
"I speak of The Restorer of What Was Lost The Mender of What Was Broken."

"March 16, 1974: It appeared - in vivid fire, with shining colors and balanced patterns - and released me from every thrall, inner and outer.

"March 18, 1974: It, from inside me, looked out and saw the world did not compute, that I - and it - had been lied to. It denied the reality, and power, and authenticity of the world, saying, 'This cannot exist; it cannot exist.'

"March 20, 1974: It seized me entirely, lifting me from the limitations of the space-time matrix; it mastered me as, at the same time, I knew that the world around me was cardboard, a fake. Through its power of perception I saw what really existed, and through its power of no-thought decision, I acted to free myself. It took on in battle, as a champion of all human spirits in thrall, every evil, every Iron Imprisoning thing."

http://www.philipkdick.com/aa_biography.html

And Trickfox, I believe it was you who just a couple of days ago mentioned BladeRunner.

Ah, a champion indeed. twigsnapper
Bladerunner has always been a favorite of mine, as much for the design environment Ridley Scott created as for the philsophical questions that the movie (and related book) raises in sharp relief. Minority Report had less of an impact on me in part because it had such a definitively "positive" ending--instead of letting the question mark persist as it does in the end of Bladerunner.

As Mikado knows, I'm an old sci-fi buff. Mr. Twigsnapper's comments above, and this thread about the movie Next, made me realize that I knew far too little about PKD the author himself.

After spending time recently reading more about PKD's life, it is not clear to me whether his epiphany experience and related mental ups & downs were owing to something outside himself, or simply to too many drugs over too long a period. Regardless, the upshot is that he produced some truly unique content, and some would say founded an important sub-genre of political/moral/philosophical speculative fiction, a "reality critique" if you will, blazing a new trail which others have followed since.

Along similar lines I am especially fond of the dystopian novels of John Brunner, specifically _Shockwave Rider_, _Stand on Zanzibar_, and _The Sheep Look Up_. So much of what he wrote was incredibly prescient, even if darkly cast. At least in Shockwave Rider he still seemed to have faith that if we can see the dangers ahead of time, as he calls them out, we might be able to do something about them--at least in whatever corner of the world we chance to occupy.

Another such perceptive genius I would highlight for the group is the Japanese animator and auteur, Miyazaki-san.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki

While they are ostensibly made for children, I have found his animated films to raise important philosophical questions while seeming to retrain the mind to see a slightly shifted view of reality and our relationships to each other, the natural environment, and to technology. Also, they are visually stunning and magnificent in scope. Almost all of them feature some aspect of flight, and in one case even anti-gravity. (For that reason alone, I had been meaning at some point to mention that movie in this group, but hadn't got around to it.)

Plus, his movies are really fun to watch.

What made me think of Miyazaki and his incredible intuitive perception today was this recent article on the radiation-eating properties of fungus. If you watch his movie _Nausicaa_ you will understand why.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 210932.htm


Best,
R.
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time movies

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Mr. Radomir, if I my say, your choice in movies looks good. I have read here about time travel movies and have not seen a certain one mentioned.
If anything, it is a more fitting picture for it shows what could be possible with time travel from the perspective of the military.

The Final Countdown.

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