TOWNSEND BROWN / ENGLISH CONNECTIONS

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TOWNSEND BROWN / ENGLISH CONNECTIONS

Post by Mark Culpepper »

Paul,

I hope this new post is appropriate and doesn't get in the way of your work, but I just realized that we were all venturing out into a new section here. Let us know if the caption needs to be changed or if we should not go in this direction.

Like Victoria I am slightly mortified that we might have done ANYTHING to upset Linda in our singular quest for knowledge. You know all of us (and I speak particularly of myself here) have the utmost regard for her privacy and for her past history.

That said, could we look again at things that Mr. Trickfox "happened" to say to us about the racecourse in England. He did not mention the agency named GCHQ, I did ... but I think we all need to turn our attentions to the possibility that Dr. Brown was working hand in glove with that outfit.

Which to those of you previously not all that interested .... was the "Government Communications Headquarters" and has been as secret until recently as the NSA. (remember ... our own huge secret agency ... the "No Such Agency" ....)

So, Paul? Should I continue with this line of reasoning or should I pack up my thoughts and put them away? Taking your lead here.

And by the way Martin. I just get the impression that these "old senile guys" out there have alot to say to us. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about what they have to say being garbage or impossible.

In history, thats how they tried to bury Stephenson. "Poor old chap" some said "He just got old, senile and just rattled on. He couldn't have possibly done all of those things" I wouldn't bet your bottom dollar. Mark C.
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looking past the smoke

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OK. Mark. What you say makes some sense based on what Twigsnapper has revealed. I looked up the GCHGs too and even found that there was a connection (of course) between that place and Blinker Hall. So .... maybe this Twigsnapper does know what hes talking about and we should pay attention to him ....

But .... you have me reading up on history too .... in 1955 .... why would Dr. Brown be in England at this super secret ENGLISH agency? Mr. Twigsnapper? Can you say anything along those lines? Can you even nod if we are going in the right direction?

Lets see .... the CIA was in existance by then so maybe Dr. Brown was CIA? but what in his "body of work" leans toward something that they might have been using at that time in history?

I have ALWAYS associated Townsend Brown with "The Philadelphia Experiment" and so it is still hard to break away from that mindset and thoughts of "flying saucers" to look at him differently.

But maybe we should all look back at his other history. Even as a kid he was interested in "communications".... and when he was in college he even ran a transmitter .... and all of that interest just got swept away when people started talking about "dissappearing destroyers" I don't know much about that story (other than the TPX book is IMPOSSIBLE TO READ) The only section that made any concrete sense was the chapter on Townsend Brown. And now I understand it wasn't written particularly for the book. Oh .... I just wandered off course. Sorry. Martin
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Post by Chris Knight »

It's interesting how communications seems to wind in and out of Brown's life beginning with his early transmitter experiments as a child and in college.

Then Morgan comes into the picture and becomes interested in Brown's work on the electrostatic speakers. Also, the sensors, the receiver / transmitter, the military associations, the nature of his Naval career, the submarines standing by to take his sensors aboard, and his lifelong search to determine the source of the variations of spontaneous voltage in his sensors.

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jumping to conclusions

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Hey Guys. Aren't you jumping to conclusions?

No one has said WHY Dr. Brown was in England.

I have read that he had some experiments with a French firm so I can understand why he was there. But no one has explained why he went to the outskirts of London. Maybe the fact that the GCHQ was there in the same town as the racecourse he chose to go .... maybe thats just .... a strange twist.

So Twigsnapper. When Dr. Brown decided to go to visit the racetrack did you have to go from London? Where was Dr. Brown staying during his visit? Did you go to France with him too?

For some reason Mark and Martin have just assumed that you were there in the same town as the GCHQ ... and I am thinking thats not necessarily so. You could have driven out from London or taken the train, right? So maybe its all co-incidence. Am I in the wrong direction? grinder
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interesting connections

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Andrew,

You have made some very interesting connections.

To Martin and Mark. Of course, you were not there and so I can understand your reluctance to take what I have to say as worth a whole lot. It is true. I am older. And it remains to be seen how my words will be accepted or dismissed. I can only say them. I was his escort in England and in France.

Ha! Dr. Brown getting up at 1am to take the train to the country in time to make the early morning works. Not exactly the way it occurred.

He almost never slept and had a habit of "wandering" around in the middle of the night. Usually it was just to "clear his head" he said.

This presented a problem for me because I was assigned as his "escort" (and yes, armed) So the entire time that he visited I slept in bits and pieces ... I don't know where he got the strength. (and actually sometimes medically he was forced to rest by Doctors orders. He'd catch up on his sleep and then be off and running again.) I was a very fit individual at the time but he was one of my most challenging responsibilities.

The track was not far from the facilities. I think he had noticed the activities so early in the morning and thats when he came to me with the question about horses. I guess he figured that I must have been a jockey at one time because we had talked horses previously. I was a slightly built lad just filled with enthusiasm for horses so I guess that he figured that I would do as an authority on the subject.

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Re: TOWNSEND BROWN / ENGLISH CONNECTIONS

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Mark Culpepper wrote: could we look again at things that Mr. Trickfox "happened" to say to us about the racecourse in England. Mark C.
Gee Marc, please clue me in here. I don't recall speaking of any such issue in this forum!!!!!

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so sorry

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So sorry Trickfox, I typed your name while meaning Mr. "Twigsnapper" . Strange that I didn't even catch it in the proofread either. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anybody. Mark C.
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why didn't anybody mention this before

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Why didn't anybody mention Dr. Browns connection in the "intelligence field" before this? Bill Moore I don't think breathed a word of it. Which makes me ask myself. Which one of these possibilities do I pay attention to? and why hasn't someone mentioned it before this. That they just didn't know seems almost too easy.

Did William Moore ever interview Townsend Browns family? ...... or anyone who knew him? ....... and I know that he doesn't have to explain himself to anyone but how can Moore expect us to take him seriously when he doesn't seem to CARE what his readers think, one way or the other? I know that Victoria could phrase that question alot more stridently than I have.

Given that and the mounting hard evidence that Paul seems to be compiling, I am more inclined to pay more attention to what Paul is saying. So is this "intelligence" chapter a NEW development in the public account of this man? I don't remember ever even seeing a hint of it. Madison
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My only comment is that I suspect that we will never know anything about the best intelligence agents.

If I may horribly paraphrase one of Elizabeth's favorite sayings...We often hear about master art or jewelry counterfeiters getting caught, and then people exclaim what masters they are, etc., but the true masters are the ones who are never detected, and who have their works dispayed in museums.

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Madison wrote:Why didn't anybody mention Dr. Browns connection in the "intelligence field" before this?
Probably because that aspect of Brown's life has only come to light within the past two years, in the course of the research for this project. Just WHY it is coming to light now, and for what purpose or agenda, well, that's probably a topic for another thread.
Did William Moore ever interview Townsend Browns family? ...... or anyone who knew him? ....... and I know that he doesn't have to explain himself to anyone but how can Moore expect us to take him seriously when he doesn't seem to CARE what his readers think, one way or the other?
Well, maybe we don't have to take him seriously, then. In any event, I have heard from William Moore and his reply to my query is posted here:

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Given that and the mounting hard evidence that Paul seems to be compiling,
Well, evidence. Hard to say how "hard" any of my "evidence" is...

So is this "intelligence" chapter a NEW development in the public account of this man? I don't remember ever even seeing a hint of it.
To the extent that what has been revealed here is reliable -- and, of course, I believe it to be quite reliable, and I believe that our friend Mr. Twigsnapper is providing at least some corroboration (shadowy a figure as he is...), then, well, you read it here first, folks.

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Post by Gabriel »

I think that this aspect of Browns life should be examined more. It would be logical that a man of his ablities would catch the eyes of intelligence agencies and that maybe because of his work he needed cover and protection to continue his work outside of the eyes of the US gov. We can see how he was treated. Maybe Stevenson & GCHQ offered him this protection and freedom to work without the threat of some gov department taking his ideas and using it for there own advantage. Obviously Stevenson saw something in him and the importance of his work. Its a small thread that needs to be conected to the greater fabric. Also Moore's response seems to be like a child who sees the fire but is afraid to draw near because he burned his hand once and doesnt understand the real importance of fire. The real question is whether Moore knows something more and is afraid to talk about it. I mean you write a whole chapter on Brown and then say well I don't care. This seems strange. Gabe
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Post by Mark Culpepper »

Gabriel,

I think that you make some good points and actually you bring up a possibility that I hadn't considered before. Perhaps Dr. Brown was working outside the US Government auspices. Perhaps he had struck some kind of a deal with the intelligence agency that was represented by the Government Communications Headquarters. Perhaps he was a private consultant outside the US military. After all .... I do not believe that in 1955 he was a member of any US service.

Which makes me wonder then about our "Mr. Twigsnapper". I had assumed that you were perhaps CIA ..... but now I am beginning to think that perhaps you might be English? Friends at the Cheltenham course? Doesn't sound to me like you were "just passing through." An answer perhaps?

And about Moore. Apparently he is content to say that he has told Paul everything that he knows .... so ... strangely, I am prepared to take him at his word. So I guess if there is another story out there, he won't be the source of information.

Thanks for the new look Gabriel. I was sort of stuck in the box. Mark C
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Mystery Location

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As long as we're talking about Dr. Brown's English connections, can any body provide a positive ID on this location:

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One source has identified this as an "definitely England.. 1950s, an MI5" installation.

First person to correctly identify this location wins a Dairy Queen for two. I'm the other one. And the Dairy Queen is here in Nashville.

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The tower

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Paul,

I am definitely no expert on radio towers but this one has an unusual shape, doesn't it?

Once I got started reading, with your inspiration, about Stephenson I learned that he apparently was insrumental in starting a camp for "spies" and covert communications somewhere in Canada just before the war and after our entrance into it. From what I read it sounds to me entirely possible that is where this picture might have been taken.

But the photo of Dr. Brown seems to go better in the 1950s frame rather than ... ten or fifteen years earlier. I am trying to be as observant as Victoria is and note that he seems to be pretty bundled up ... that looks like a leather jacket (motorcycle jacket?) and he has the collar turned up.

Not enough to earn me a cone in Nashville .... and I hope someone does come up with a definitive answer. All I can guess is that tower looks like the pictures I have seen of the straight tube like system they had going at Camp X .... oh, ha,ha ..... I just realized .... I wonder who else called Stephenson "Mr. X" or Pau, did you just recently pick that for his chapter name, before he was identified. ?

(Which by the way ..... I will never be able to say "quadratic equations" without thinking of those two lovers in Florida. Just let people wonder why the smile plays across my lips.) Martin
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motorcycle jacket

Post by Victoria Steele »

I only THINK I have recovered from Pauls last chapter.

Martin,

I would tend to agree with whoever said that it was the fifties. Dr. Brown is wearing levi jeans .... folded up .... like Roy Rogers! and that spells the mid fifties to me.

I can tell that it is cold where he is .... gloves, looks like probably something under the jacket too. I always had the impression that he was a very fit indivdual but he goes for the sweaters when he has to (as in the Fouquette photo. ) Rolled up jeans = 1955 . I would guess. About the tower? I dunno. But if someone says its MI5 , then ..... maybe the towers at the so called "Camp X" would be similar? Matching sets you know? Sending/ Recieving?

But motorcycle jacket? was that his style? Did he even know how to ride a motorcycle Paul, do you know? I have never seen anyone comment on that. I'll leave the technology to you guys, going for style here. Victoria
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