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Postby kevin.b » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:15 pm

Flowperson,
A lot of words here, Dr Quantum explains it better, but if you can't view him, this will have to suffice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
I don't personally feel that we have any idea yet about what composes everything, I think it is all alive, litterally, and what we are and what is here on this planet is a mere consequence of the relative condition relative to here at this moment.
But I sense we are here at a very extraordinary moment, and the condition is about to alter in an eventfull manner, I can almost taste it about to occur.
Glad that you and all the others are here to puzzle our way about, the wabbit hole may be about to go even deeper.
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Postby flowperson » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:19 pm

Thanks Kevin....We all sense something "coming" and that's why we're gathered here. The Wiki article is very good and thorough.

I've been doing a little digging into the history and life work of a guy who's been briefly mentioned here, but whom I have come to call, " the secret Einstein".
I couldn't find any definitive biography, but in the 50's, after leaving Czechkoslovakia after WW II he had an illustrious career as a mathematics Professor at Indiana University. He, like Einstein, was an accomlished violinist, and was once the concertmaster of the major philharmonic orchestra in his native land.

He was a close acquaintance of Einstein in Europe and did the math that Albert didn't have the time to do on his unified field theories of relativity. Here are some quotations and links which say a few things about his life in the USA. By the way, it looks as though his contract research work at Indiana was funded through the U.S. Army.

Quotation:
Mathematician Vaclav Hlavaty, colleague of Einstein "The opposite of faith is not doubt...it is certainty."

Quotation:
Vaclav Hlavaty Professor of Mathematics, University of Indiana, colleague of Albert Einstein when he worked in Prague, first president of the Czechoslovak Society of Arts and Sciences in America
"The farther we go, the more the ultimate explanation recedes from us, and all we have left is faith."

Quotation:
"Vaclav Hlavaty, professor of mathematics at IU, member of the Czech parliament-in-exile, concert master of the Czech Philharmonic and the only living person who, at the time, was able to solve some of Einstein's equations (including Einstein himself, who didn't care about proof) was a friend of my dad. One day they bumped into each other while walking on the campus. According to Dad, the following exchange took place: Vaclav said, "I understand, Hugh, that the Kinsey Institute has the largest collection of pornography outside of the Vatican." "Yes, that's true," replied my dad, no doubt in a bemused but matter-of-fact manner. "Well, then, maybe one day Kinsey can be Pope!"

An article from Time Magazine, Aug.3, 1953

When Einstein announced his unified field theory 3½ years ago (TIME, Jan. 2, 1950), he asked his colleagues to check its validity. The theory attempted to connect the electromagnetic and the gravitational properties of the universe, which appear to follow separate sets of laws. To show that they are connected would complete the revolution in physics that began with the electromagnetic field theory of James Clerk Maxwell in the late 19th century. A single set of laws would be shown to rule and to unify the physical universe.

Hardly anyone accepted Einstein's challenge. More popular with physicists was a view derived from quantum mechanics, which holds that the universe is made up of small particles (quanta) that behave, individually, as if they were governed by mere chance. Einstein does not accept this. "I cannot believe," he remarked, "that God plays dice with the cosmos."

Last week Professor Vaclav Hlavaty of Indiana University, a refugee Czech expert on multi-dimensional geometry, announced that he had taken the first step toward checking Einstein.* Like most mathematicians, he cannot explain clearly to laymen just what he has done. Apparently he has worked out a solution for Einstein's equations, and has concluded that electromagnetism gives rise to both matter and to gravity, a property of matter. This would make the laws of electro-magnetism supreme, superseding the "dice" of quantum mechanics.

Professor Hlavaty believes that it will now be possible to test the unified field theory experimentally, but the crucial experiment, he says, has not yet been devised.

*He got interested in Einsteinian physics after seeing a diagram of Einstein's unified field equations published in TIME.

Here are two links to pdf downloads of some of his published work concerning relativity and unified field theory.

Trickfox, are you familiar with this ?

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1063539
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1063575

Amazon lists several of his books, but only one is available right now. It concerns the Geometry of the Unified Field and Relativity and lists at $!,400 for a used copy. I'm pretty sure that he's the guy who came up with unique viewpoints with regard to "Spinors" and their role in vector analysis to show "connects" among the quantum and unified fields at differing locations under certain conditions. And there are many references in the materials I looked at which stated that Hlavaty believed conclusively that gravity could be controlled.

And here's a final quotation from the Secret Einstein, which is his most prescient IMHO:
-Vaclav Hlavaty. "Sometimes God doesn't tell us His plan because we wouldn't believe it anyway."

flow.... :wink:
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Postby flowperson » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:48 pm

While trolling through the Hlavaty materials, I ran across this article on reverse engineering just after WW II which should be of interest to many here. Of course it could be disinformation, but it seems to fit with many things discussed here before.

flow.... :wink:

http://www.uprootmedia.org/reverseu.html
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Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:53 pm

I think sometimes even in the simplest of situations the difficulty comes when you know something ( something that no one else knows or sees or senses ) and then discover that you must remain silent about it because even if you tried to tell about that something unseen .... you would not be believed. So ... you back up .... and patiently wait for that little crack of understanding to show up ... then you try to enlarge that .... but in the meantime ... you wait for it. I see that alot in the work that Townsend Brown did. I hear it in the words that Kevin tries to explain .. I see it in the images that Mikado tries to explain seeing ... and how things develop here in such a strange way. I never enlarged that view to the thought of God as Hlavaty has... but perhaps thats why being patient is in fact the most difficult of all things ... and maybe the closest to God. Just think how very patient the Creator must be with all of us!

I think that there were probably many things that Linda Brown saw in the future, perhaps even still sees.

Can you imagine her surprise and exhilaration when she discovered that she had found a spirit in Morgan that actually heard her and saw some of the things that she saw in the future? in fact, apparently even had insights of his own that he could share with her? Thats powerful magic right there. Too bad that long conversation on one of their first meetings wasn't saved somehow.

Flow ..... what?

"Flying disc simulators.
"The first functional simulator was manufactured by Link Aviation (USA) in 1958. This simulator was based on the ET-craft that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, in 1953. Six very large capacitors, generating approximately six million volts, were developed for this simulator". [8]

Simulator testing the operations of a complex apparatus, such as an ET-craft, requires a thorough understanding of the kinematic- and dynamic-similarity laws. Test on small-scaled models have not been carried out successfully. Although true physical feel was actually never achieved, full-scale simulators with qualified actuation systems have proven to be the best avenue of approach.

The simulator group included technically talented aviators with considerable stick and rudder skills. Perquisites, when planning human flights, while seeking every way to make the alien reproduction vehicle (ARV) technically manageable...........................................

1953? Kingman? Who is Link Aviation??????? in 1958??????

Thanks so much Flow. another rabbit hole! Elizabeth
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Postby kevin.b » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:06 pm

Elizabeth helen drake,
Co-incidence?
In 1954 link sold his aviation company to concentrate on underwater archaeology, hmmm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Albert_Link
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Postby kevin.b » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:12 pm

Elizabeth Helen Drake,
Theres an ED Doll in this one, maybe there aliens?
the EDS.
http://ufologie.net/htm/kingman53.htm
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Postby flowperson » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:54 pm

Kevin...The late actor Eddie Albert (Green Acres w/Eva Gabor later in TVland ) was featured in the first officially broadcast live television program at NBC in 1939. It was broadcast by wire from a studio on one floor of the RCA building to another where an audience of high mucky mucks were assembled to see what Sarnoff hath wroght. See what I mean about the name thingy in lots of these "historic events ?

Elizabeth...Yeah when I ran into Hlavaty's quotes I thought it to be very appropriate to put them up on a Sunday morn. When you work at the remote theoretical limits that Hlavaty did, I would imagine it's hard not to believe that some sort of intelligence is behind all of the window dressings. Einstein was a very spiritual man also. Today's theoretical physicists are mainly anti-G-d if we can believe their statements, or at least show-me agnostic types.

Yeah...patience. Reminds me of one of, favorite cartoons.
Two vultures sitting on a dead tree limb. One turns to the other and says, "Patience hell ! I'm going to kill something !"

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Postby Mark Culpepper » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:04 pm

Perhaps its appropriate that we are finally getting a new look at these reports and in a different context, learning where Dr. Brown was at different times and who he was associated with, maybe things will start making more and more sense.

I had heard ( in passing) about that Kingman crash but hadn't paid too much attention to it but now maybe I should look again. I really liked this part of your link kevin. Thanks.

A researcher adds:

"Strange as it seems it was during the 1950s that various aircraft companies started research projects on the control of gravity and electro-gravitational propulsion. It is possible that these projects constituted some of the first reverse engineering projects on extraterrestrial propulsion systems."
But we have seen no positive results. Of course Air Intelligence had to try reverse engineering, and maybe promoted such research projects, but it was bound to fail: to understand such advanced flying machine would require a full understanding of the physics, and technology to manufacture the parts. If you had provided the Space Shuttle to Orville and Wilbur Wright, they would have learned nothing useful from it. Unless... you would have explained the physics and provided the technology also. Something to think about. "-----------------------------------------------

And what I think happened. With things that MAY have been alien craft. It would only make sense to pull in your most valued person in that field and if you look closely there are arrows that keep pointing back to Dr. Brown.
And indication of his value may be the observation that his name is NOT mentioned outright in some of these reports. If he was less important I think the security over his name would have been more lax.

Not only that but where his name does show up there is an obvious attempt as disinformation. And its not a small short lived program either. Its a BIG program. But I think slowly it is unraveling. Maybe we are getting closer to understanding the ramifications of the technology? finally? MarkC
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Postby Trickfox » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:16 pm

About Vaclav Hlavaty.

I have heard the name several times, however I had not seen the results of his work. I believe his formulas are related to orthogonal functions in that they remain within the realm of +1, 0 and -1. I may be incorrect of course and I need to read over those formulas more carefully.
I have a ton more material to go through which already deals with orthogonal functions and symetry. It would not surprize me the least bit to find out that Hlavaty has developed something which could point to an eventual experiment.

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Postby flowperson » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:01 pm

Hi Trickfox. Thanks for your answer.

If memory serves wasn't Ted Kaczynski (the unabomber) a rising star in the arena of boundary mathematics when he taught at Michigan and Berkeley ? Just wondering if you might have any thoughts on all that ?

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Postby Trickfox » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:13 pm

flowperson wrote:Hi Trickfox. Thanks for your answer.

If memory serves wasn't Ted Kaczynski (the unabomber) a rising star in the arena of boundary mathematics when he taught at Michigan and Berkeley ? Just wondering if you might have any thoughts on all that ?

flow.... :wink:


Yup....You are correct Flow.... however I did not get into the specifics of the theories that may have help to influence his politics and sense of morality. All I know is that John Nash was another practicionner into this area of math also. We all know about the movie (a beautiful mind) however I have word from a friend of his that Nash had thoughts more closely related to Alien contact rather than what was portrayed in the movie. I guess they just did not want to introduce the extraterrestrial intelligence specter in this movie.

I was just watching the three DVD series (What the bleep) again today.
Im still blown away by that movie. Have you seen it yet FLOW? The star is
Marlee Matlin (She cannot hear anything but speaks and signs).
Fred Allan Wolf, Dean Radin, and a half dozen other doctorates explain Quantum Physics, entanglement, and the rabitt hole. It all makes a lot of sense to me but Im not sure if that is all there is to it. I keep thinking they are missing a big part of it.... like maybe.... first contact?



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Postby flowperson » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:55 pm

Hi Trickfox...I'll be sure to put What the Bleep on my list. Maybe over the holidays. Marlee Matlin's a dish.

Yeah John Nash. I knew that he had paranoid stuff going on, but I hadn't heard the alien theory. That seems such a popular story that has come up in power-intimidation scenarios that it might just be rooted in phenomena explanable in more mundane and common terms.

As I recall the film, it had noir effects with several FBI agents smoking lots of cigarettes and talking harshly. X Files stuff it seemed to me. I still gravitate to Vallee's slant on the off-planet types using psychotronics to generate such efects in peoples' heads.

Been there , done that... I think.

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Postby Gewis » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:00 am

Flow,

Thanks for finding more info on Hlavaty. I mentioned him in the general discussion board, but I'm glad to see him followed up here. I'm going to jump in and see what I can see. :)

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Postby Trickfox » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:09 am

Dear AJ...
I have read your bloggs and believe that you would enjoy posting in our forum too. This has to do with the subject we call "FTM technology". The fact is; -that the TI (targetted Individual) category of victims can surely find comfort in the fact that "no tyrany can control FTM technology".

Repeat after me "I am no longer a victim" and "I control my reality".

Now, learn carefully all of this Electrohydrodynamic stuff and it's relationship with gravity and consequently "time" itself, and you will learn how to PHASE OUT from the mind control technology altogether!!!!

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