PEOPLE & PLACES & DATES

Here is where we focus on separating the facts from the fiction, identifying what we KNOW from what what we DON'T KNOW about the life and work of Townsend Brown
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Desertfae: Welcome! And thank you so much for joining our group. As Twigsnapper says we have a particular focus here which is the history of the physicist Townsend Brown, but my heart goes out to you and your struggle, because I know these lines connect.

twigsnapper wrote: Mining. A special method of mining. Work done in Reno under William Lears control. There have been faint whiffs and I do not blame you for being sidetracked. A mine that is not actually "pinched out" but diverted.
The Lear connection again? Interesting.

Now this may be completely unrelated, but talk of a 'special method of mining' that reduces rock to dust, especially in the context of gravity control, has to bring up John Keely (and the Theosophical Society) sooner or later. And where that leads to, I don't know, because it's probably more suited to KeelyNet. But, well:

http://www.theosophical.ca/KeelysSecret ... ction.html
KEELY’S SECRETS:
INTRODUCTION
by R. HARTE
(Secretary. Theosophical Publishing Services)

July 1888
reprinted from “Theosophical Siftings” Volume - 1 -

[The following introduction to Mrs Bloomfield Moore’s very valuable essay on Mr Keely’s discoveries has been thought likely to interest the members of the T.P.S.] [Page 3]

INTRODUCTION

A short time ago the mining world in America was seized with an inexplicable excitement. The values of gold mines in particular suddenly rose. Mines long since abandoned on account of the expense of working, awoke, and rubbing their eyes made their way again into the stock list. Presently it leaked out that a syndicate of the longest-headed and wealthiest mining capitalists were quietly buying up all the cheap and apparently worthless gold mines they could hear of, and people at once concluded that "something was up". Then everyone of a speculative turn, very knowingly began to buy worthless gold mining shares at ever-increasing prices, and when the little speculators had gorged themselves to the full extent of their financial capacity, they asked: "What next ?" No one knew exactly what he was after; and everyone looked to the Syndicate for the next move; but the Syndicate smilingly put its hands in its pockets and whistled ! After the fever came prostration. The small fry had not, like the Syndicate, bought to hold, so they got first uneasy, then alarmed, and finally panic-stricken. The tide of credulity turned and began to run out even more quickly than it had set in, and thousands of the unlucky, but greedy little gudgeon of the Stock Exchange were left stranded in a short time by the receding tide of speculation, kicking and gasping in the mortal agonies of financial asphyxia. The panic is easily accounted for by the general laws that govern the movements of the Stock Exchange; but not so the action of the syndicate. The problem remains: Why did the long-headed millionaires buy up worthless mines ? That is the point of interest, and the explanation thereof is as follows: —

A few weeks before the panic occurred, twelve "solid men" — millionaires — met by appointment in a certain laboratory in Philadelphia to witness an exhibition of the disintegration of quartz by a new method. They were mining magnates, who had a tremendous interest in getting the gold out of quartz rock quickly and cheaply. The inventor obliged them by simply touching some blocks of quartz with a little machine he held in his hand; and as he touched each block it instantly crumbled into atomic dust, in which the specks of gold it had contained stood out like boulders in a bed of sand. Then the twelve solid men solidly said: "Mr. Keely, if you will in the same manner disintegrate some quartz for us in its natural place, we will each of us give you a cheque for — dollars". So off they all went to the Katskill mountains, and there the twelve solid men pointed out a reef of quartz on the side of a mountain, as solid as themselves; and Mr. Keely took out his little machine and said: " Gentlemen, please take the time". In eighteen minutes there was a tunnel in that quartz mountain eighteen feet long and four and a half feet in diameter. Then Mr. Keely quietly returned to Philadelphia with his cheques in his pocket, and the twelve solid men went from New York to San Francisco to gather in the seemingly "worthless stock " of mines long disused because of the working expense, thus producing the disastrous effect upon the mining world, which we have just seen. [All these men bound themselves to secrecy; and this is the first time that this incident has been made public.]

How was the quartz disintegrated ? —That is one of Keely's secrets.[Page 4]

The disintegration of rock is, however, a very small and accidental effect of that tremendous force that lies behind the "secret." Indeed, that particular application of the force was a chance discovery. One day the inventor was studying the action of currents of ether playing over a floor upon which he had scattered fine sand, — the ether was rolling the sand into ropes, — when a block of granite, which was used for fastening back a door, disintegrated under his eyes. He took the hint, and in a few days he had made a "vibratory disintegrator".
http://www.theosophical.ca/KeelyAndScienceP1.html
http://www.theosophical.ca/KeelyAndScienceP2.html
http://keelynet.com/keely/klyanec1.txt

A picture here:
http://www.svpvril.com/DisPix/Disin1.html

And here perhaps we have a link to both the early music industry, and to Canada?

If this story is true, is the stock market panic referred to the Panic of 1873 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1873 ?
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I only have one word :

Beneficiation

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Re: PEOPLE & PLACES & DATES - John Keely

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Nate,

John Keely has been mentioned in this forum before. I even talked about the disintegrator here:
https://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ely#p16484

Now Keely was into resonance and acoustics. If he developed some sort of ultrasonic disintegrator for quartz and or other materials, it would be a huge deal for mining. It is interesting to note that Keely was from Philadelphia. If a Keely type disintegrator was used and than electrostatics applied, you could literally turn the mine into dust and separate out and move the particles in an easy manner without a lot of equipment like conveyors, etc. Also, leaching the material from the ore would be easier as it is already dust with a high surface area for exposure and could be readily processed.

As for the Panic of 1873, apparently that was when the Coinage Act of 1873 was passed which would impact silver. "The Act moved the United States to the gold standard, which meant it would no longer buy silver or mint silver coins." And that would tend to depress the silver mines, not the gold mines. It just meant that those that had gold mines could be richer...

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Huh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno
As the mining boom waned early in the twentieth century, Nevada's centers of political and business activity shifted to the non-mining communities, especially Reno and Las Vegas, and today the former mining metropolises stand as little more than ghost towns. Despite this, Nevada is still the third-largest gold producer in the world, after South Africa and Australia; the state yielded 6.9 percent of the world's supply in 2005 world gold production [2].
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http://lear.bigplan.net/sdbp/portfolio/ ... aphy02.htm
In 1967 Bill Lear sold Learjet Industries to the Gates Rubber Company. in and bought the deserted air force base in Reno, Nevada. He wanted to produce a pollution-free automotive engine and so began the "steam era". He tested the Lear Vapordyne race car, a steam bus, and a steam car.

This turned out to be financially challenging as well as other problems that went into the steam development. After many months and millions of his own money, he came to the realization that while the engine is operationally sucessful, it was not as fuel efficent as a conventional engine.

By this time he was ready to move on to another challenge. He wanted to build a new plane called the Lear Fan and so development on this plane went full steam ahead.
The biggest challenge of his life came on March 13, 1978. His health was failing and they did surgery. Unfortunately during a routine test, they dicovered he had advanced leukemia and had only 2 months to live.

In his last 2 months he made sure work on the Lear Fan would continue even after his death. He told his wife, Moya, to "finish it".

On May 14, 1978, William Powell Lear passed away in Reno, Nevada. His ashes were spread over the Pacific Ocean by his family.
http://www.xkcd.com/206/

I guess there's nothing secret there now though:
http://www.renoairport.com/about_the_ai ... irport.php
History
Reno Stead Airport began in 1942 as the Reno Army Airport, an air base built by the Reno Army Air Corps. In 1951 the air base was renamed Stead Army Airbase in honor of Croston Stead, who died while engaging in a mock dog fight in his P-51 Mustang.

From 1954-1964 the air base served as a training center for 80,000 Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force, and foreign officers, as well as most of the pre-1965 astronauts. The military Officers were given classroom instruction on basic survival, evasion and escape, and how to handle rebels from the opposition. The field training consisted of trying to survive in the harsh mountainous terrain surrounding Stead. Conditions were worsened by the instructors simulating guerrillas, and trying to capture the students. The classroom and field training lasted 15-21 days.

In 1963 the air base was set to close, along with 25 other military bases throughout the country. In 1966 the Stead Army Airbase was transferred to the City of Reno, and in June of 1966 it began operating as Reno Stead Airport.

Since 1966, Reno Stead Airport has been home to military operations, birthplace of the Lear Fan, and home to the National Championship Air Races. Currently, Reno Stead is home to the companies you can find listed on the Tenants page.

Timeline
1942: The Reno Army Air Corps constructs the Reno Army Airport air base.
1951: The air base is renamed Stead Army Airbase in honor of Croston Stead.
1963: Stead Army Airbase is set to close along with 25 other military bases.
1966: Stead Army Airbase is transferred to the City of Reno.
1966: The air base begins operating as Reno Stead Airport in June.
Reno Stead Airport is home to the National Championship Air Races.
More on the LearFan:
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/learfan ... _facts.htm

I also didn't realise he invented the 8-track tape. And there's that music connection again. Just synchronicity?
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The Lear Vapordyne:

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread. ... id=2523526

Design Journal 1969

http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/diad/article.php ... e=d.248.14
The sensation of the New York Motor Show earlier this year was a steam car, the first to appear since 1909. The Lear Vapordyne, invented by William Lear of Reno Nevada, has a small, paraffin-fed jet turbine which can get up steam in 30 seconds. The exhaust from the turbine feeds the steam-generating coils and the engine has two sets of three cylinders arranged in a triangle with two pistons in each cylinder and a crankshaft at each corner. There is no gearbox, no transmission, and no clutch on the car and it does not produce toxic fumes. The Vapordyne has a top speed of 240 mph, but then it is a racing car. How long must we wait for an ordinary, easy-to-run steam car ? It is already 60 years late.
A picture:
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B35153.jpg

And a photo of Bill Lear with some interesting commentary:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2108606

Now I know who the Cigarette Smoking Man was modelled on...

History and memories from his 'other' son, Bill Jr:
http://www.billlear.com/lear_gene.htm
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Lets see what we have developing here folks. Who wouldda thunk that we would be talking about mining and Dr. Brown in the same breath. But we are.

And who was he spending time with in 1967 that Paul can PROVE from witnesses. So far I have counted a big group of illuminaries. Mr. Odlum ... the one who spent how many million for a mine that ( I love this phrase ) "pinched out". And now we seem to be talking about William Lear and if I am not mistaken he was homebased in Santa Monica at that time, wasn't he? And Dr. Brown of course .... and just maybe with all this confusion and uproar over looking for some wierd antigravity propulsive system ... just maybe we have been missing something all along.

And then here comes the Mike R ( sorry can't even start to spell his last name) and our own dear Mr. Trickfoxs association with that person ( in his former life <g>) and this is all getting REALLY strange here folks. It seems like it is really way off base but if it was .... why would Mr. Twigsnapper tweek us in this direction? And Rusty ( my friend who used to work at GTI during that period ... where are you and are you reading any of this?)

And speaking now of Mr. Twigsnapper. Rachel .... he means to have you go along with us here, if you want. He used the expression that we were a " good bunch to ride the river with" ( or something close, remember?) Now maybe only those who are familiar with Texas know of that expression but thats what they said of the Texas Rangers in the good old days and by damned sometimes I feel like we are saddling our horses up , filling our canteens and heading out. I don't know where your trail is going Rachel but ride along a bit and see what happens. dust flying everywhere.

And Mr. Radomir. Your observation that the operation might just be turning the stuff to valuable " dust" and that the handling of it would indeed look like a drug operation and I wonder just now where all THAT is going to take us. so much undisclosed information. So many missing links but they are so close together now that they are sparking over!! ZAP!

All of which begs for another book from Paul of course. Those nine years!!! Those missing notebooks! All this stuff that is coming to the surface just now. What? Bill Lear in Reno. Maybe Mike can say more about that? Or maybe we are all going down the wrong rabbit hole for awhile. Can't help it! There is more going on here than a whole bunch of Mr. Jones' can understand and just one book is not going to be enough. Nor is just one rabbithole.

Giffin, how is your book doing by the way? Bugging you! Can't do " Thursday? Thursday? on Paul anymore so I can give you a hard time. And I am sure that there are others out there taking very careful notes.

See what you have done Paul. Can't stuff the cat back in there anymore can they? And maybe that was the point?

I understand that LaViolette has just published his book ...( his second book that is. So .... anybody read it yet?) And really I am a bit surprised that our friend Mr. Moore hasn't reappeared with suddenly alot of new information. I have just been waiting for that to happen (she grins, looking for pantlegs) ..... Victoria
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Here is just a little comment which Paul has probably already thought about but which some of you might not have known.

When Dr. Brown returned from Hawaii he joined forces with Brad Shank, a man by the name of "Mason Rose" and they held several demonstrations of Dr. Browns " tethered saucers" ( a little bigger than your flying belly dancer cymbals Mark <g>) and during that span of time the FBI of course was all over then entire situation. In a telephone transcript a certain couple of gentlemen were escorted to one of the demonstrations .... the transcriber wrote

" A man named Lehr"

This has been reported by many but Paul is the only one who knows who that man actually was. Always sort of puzzled me why no one picked up on that. twigsnapper
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twigsnapper wrote: " A man named Lehr"
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=369&start=150&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Thanks to AM for posting the reference:
Chapter 79:
“All of these threads are disconnected,” Linda ruminated in the fall of 2003, after she and I had been working earnestly on this project for about six months. “We were in Santa Monica in 1967. Odlum had placed us there with GTI to develop the fan but nothing ever was accomplished. So I ask myself: Was there something else going on that I didn't know anything about?”

Linda also recalls the steady flow of interested and interesting individuals that streamed through the lab at GTI. Linda has a particularly strong recollection of Bill Lear — the “man named Lehr” who a general named Bertrandias had so breathlessly reported accompanying to a demonstration of actual flying saucers in Los Angeles in 1952 — spending the better part of a month hovering around the operation.

“Bill Lear spent almost everyday there at the shop with us in November, even going to lunch with us across the street. There were many meetings between he and Dad and some others.”
But it may have been 1968 when Lear bought the Stead Air Force Base in Reno, according to Bill Jr. So all of the interesting work must have happened by then. All the development over, production to begin? Technology transfer accomplished?
"We moved to Beverly Hills and bought this fabulous house," Moya Lear said, in 1967. "I thought it was going to be forever."

But one night, they went to dinner with friends, in the rain, and Lear slipped and fell.

"Shortly thereafter, he began to have nosebleeds; both of his eyes were black and his leg was broken and in a cast," she said. "He was in despair; he didn't want to live anymore. At one point, he thought about getting a plane—not a Learjet; he was too practical for that—but a nice cheap plane, and flying out over the Pacific and ending it all. He even left me a note...saying he loved me, but he couldn't live like that."

As she caught him trying to leave, she told him, "You're behaving like an idiot; you have so much to be grateful for. You have a good head; there's a need, more you can do. We'll start over tomorrow."
And he moves to Reno.

John Lear hates his Dad and spends 20 years chasing UFOs and Greys, while Bill Jr follows in his footsteps running the company.
After Lear's death on May 14, 1978, Moya Lear (who died in 2001) became chair of Lear Avia, and took over the Lear Fan project with gusto—because she loved him, and because that was her husband's last request, and his last dream.

The Lear Fan program, along with private domestic and foreign investors, would cost $240 million, before its demise just months before certification in 1985. This was a blow to Bill Lear Jr., too, as he stood to make about $6 million from commissions.

"We had three prototypes—three albatrosses around our necks," Lear Jr. said. "Prince Sultan, our latest financial benefactor, folded his tent and disappeared. He, as well as the British, saw the handwriting on the wall; the price of the Lear Fan had escalated from $850,000 to $1.8 million."

Another reason he believed the Lear Fan project would've been successful, if his father had been alive, was his simple genius.

"He was a good listener, and a good student," he said. "When he wanted to go out for certain projects he'd surround himself with good people and pick their brains. For instance, he could take a guy that was a physicist, and my father would extract just that bit of information that he was interested in from that guy—bypassing 30 years of experience from a guy like that, and then run with that. Using that method of extracting only information he wanted, Dad became an expert on any particular subject within two weeks; that was his genius. I was so fortunate to have been his son. I'm so proud of him."

After living 20 years in Geneva, Bill Lear Jr. spent five years in Britain, where he did "spook work," after the Lear Fan project went belly up in 1985. A self-admitted serial husband, Bill Lear Jr., 77, has been married five times, but he attributes that to Lear genes, too.

"I'm a lot like the Old Man; we both liked the dollies," he grins.
So, was the Lear Fan just a failed overambitious old man's dream, or cover for something of more interest to English and Saudi investors? Frankly I think I could call it either way.
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twigsnapper wrote:Here is just a little comment which Paul has probably already thought about but which some of you might not have known.

When Dr. Brown returned from Hawaii he joined forces with Brad Shank, a man by the name of "Mason Rose" and they held several demonstrations of Dr. Browns " tethered saucers" ( a little bigger than your flying belly dancer cymbals Mark <g>) and during that span of time the FBI of course was all over then entire situation. In a telephone transcript a certain couple of gentlemen were escorted to one of the demonstrations .... the transcriber wrote

" A man named Lehr"

This has been reported by many but Paul is the only one who knows who that man actually was. Always sort of puzzled me why no one picked up on that. twigsnapper
Mr. Twigsnapper,

William Lear = William Lehr and the FBI misspelled his name. Looking through the previous posts, I pieced it together and it wasn't that hard.

But I was still thinking about Odlum and Atlas Corporation. Now was Raytheon tied in any way to Atlas Corporation? I know that Farnsorth's fusor patents were locked up by Raytheon and I was looking for a connection between Philo Farnsworth and Dr. Brown and a logical choice seemed like Odlum. He was one of the richest men at the time. And the only connection I see with Odlum and Raytheon were that they were both tied to the "Pilgrims" like the Caroline Group. http://www.silver-investor.com/charless ... lgrims.htm

Now I can see connections of William Lear and Thomas Townsend Brown. Both were born within 3 years of each other and both served in the Navy as a radio operator. I see common ground there. Also the sense of humor. I would hate to go through life being called Shanda Lear! Maybe that's how he got his girls married off quickly! LOL! :lol: :wink:

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twigsnapper wrote:a man by the name of "Mason Rose"
It's always bugged me, that name. A particularly unsubtle pseudonym?

I suppose we've already got Theosophy, Spiritualism, the Knights Templars and the Illuminati, we may as well add the Scottish Rite and Rosicrucians just to round out the set. Two cars in every garage and a saucer in every lodge.

Oh, this is the Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night. You want the ILLUMINATED Brethren, two doors down. Give it a kick, the Portal Through Which The Unlearned May Not Pass sticks something wicked in the damp.

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Rachel-

I admire your courage in pursuing this dangerous quest for justice. May you succeed.

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Ok, I got word back, if you want to come up with a small list of questions for Michael Riconosciuto, arrangements can be made to get those to him.
I saw some talk of John Lear mentioned... I have to throw my two cents in here because I confronted him.
When I was first starting to investigate stuff around my dad's murder I had posted on a forum that Lear used to be at (many of you probably know which one). He made a point to comment. I had no clue who he was and pretty much just ignored him, until a few months later someone told me to be careful of him.
I then emailed him in a private message on this site and got a response where he admitted he is CIA and mentioned his connection to Robert Booth Nichols. That was enough to make me look into who this guy was... long story short, he tried to deny that his "bob nichols" was the same person... and after much prodding I was able to get him to admit that they are the same person, that he flew the weapons over to Iran in the Iran-contra affair, that he stored RBN's weapons in his vegas home, and got him to post two pictures of them together.
My own opinion of the guy is that he's bad news.. his UFO stuff, just a distraction to keep people from looking at the real issues. I believe there is something out there, but I don't believe that John Lear is what he says he is... at all.
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desertfae wrote: I then emailed him in a private message on this site and got a response where he admitted he is CIA and mentioned his connection to Robert Booth Nichols. That was enough to make me look into who this guy was... long story short, he tried to deny that his "bob nichols" was the same person... and after much prodding I was able to get him to admit that they are the same person, that he flew the weapons over to Iran in the Iran-contra affair, that he stored RBN's weapons in his vegas home, and got him to post two pictures of them together.
My own opinion of the guy is that he's bad news.. his UFO stuff, just a distraction to keep people from looking at the real issues. I believe there is something out there, but I don't believe that John Lear is what he says he is... at all.
I'm not at all sure who John Lear says he is these days. He seems to be fairly open about his CIA involvement here: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/index.html

But yes, I'm bored with most mentions of Greys and the standard UFO conspiracy mix. All it seems to do is engender a sort of free-floating fear. Who does that serve, I wonder?

I presume the hard facts about the bust-up with his Dad can't be disputed? Any idea what that was about?
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Nate-

What is it with you folks down under and research? Between you and Langley, you’re really bagging it in big time. Perhaps in this rabbit hole, we’re the ones upside down “up” here.

YOUR QUOTES:
Dunno what he means about ergodicity and entropy, but yes, cooling is a HUGE problem in computing right now. MIRACL is a military laser, dunno about the others.

Okay, I can't follow any of that, except that it involves electrostatics and effects not predicted by standard theory. Related to Brown's work with the 'fan' or not? It seems more like *reinventing* similar science rather than building on it.

How does it work? It may be that no one is sure yet just how electrostatic cooling works. Blomgren discovered, more or less by accident, that 15 to 60 kv introduced as a space charge into a heating object’s proximity causes instant cooling.

Dr. K. G. Kibler, Senior Research Scientist at General Dynamics, explains the effect in terms of an “electric wind” that breaks up inert insulating boundary layers of air at the heated surface. To date, Kibler’s explanation seems to be the most reasonable answer.

A Van de Graaff static-electricity generator of the high-school physics variety can be – has been – used to demonstrate the effect. The charge is not dangerous; currents are in the microamp range. The demonstration works best if the probe is negatively charged.

So. Michael Riconosciuto's groundbreaking 'new' electrostatic cooling process, which he claims he used on the F-111 refit in the early 1980s and developed until 1984 for other weapon effects, was basically his extension of Blomgren's patent. Blomgren's company being run by a close family friend, and they're all intelligence people.

Wanna bet that Blomgren was the real originator of that technology?



MY COMMENT:
No bets on Blomgren, although parallel events may occur.

In the late seventies, I witnessed an experiment which produced an anomalistic result of cooling when heating was expected. Oddly enough, no further research was performed because of the unexpected result. It involved using a thermo-type camera to record color changes accompanying the “floating” of qi energy by intention to various parts of the body by my first Chinese Qigong master. It was expected that, if successful, the area targeted would exhibit a warm color change indicating blood flow and energy increase in the area. Instead, a blue color indicating a cooling effect was noted in each case. I telephoned physicist Jack Sarfatti, who a physicist friend had recommended, and he believed that the qi energy was producing an “ordering” effect which read out as a cooling (less kinetic) color and condition. Did the body area actually become cooler? I assume it did, but I can’t say for sure as no further research was performed. This may relate to and explain the cooling effect noted in the above posts. When I mentioned the Qi energy to TTB, he accepted it as essentially the same as the energy “stuff” he was researching and developing. The Qi, IMO, is interdimensional and may exhibit a decidedly lower entropy state.

As ever, in cool qi,

Griffin
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