Interesting questions for Paul.

[Janoshek]

Back in 2001 I sent hard copies of text about T.T. Brown's work along with text and pictures of electrogravitic lifters from J. Naudin's site to Discovery Channel, Frontline and the History channel. I was politely refused. They said they had more important things to adress. Perhaps they were jumping on the 9/11 bandwagon and I picked the wrong time? Or was it something else? PBS did their thing on terrorism. Discovery was doing dinosaurs, mummies and pyramid building. History channel was adressing modern marvels such as how electric shavers work etc. With an occasional Rosewell rehash along with the constant back and forth between saucer believers and skeptics. So why do you think the interesting topic I presented was refused Paul? Is there a hidden agenda?

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Janoshek,

From my own personal observation on your question. I think it was all a matter of timing. And of course when I say that you understand that I am recognizing that there must be some sort of a "control system" on the "metering of information"

"Metered information" is a phrase that maybe we can talk about more. But as I put it out there .... because I have seen it at work in my own life ... it generally means that I am only given what I can assimilate at any one time. Thats the way helping Paul with this book has been for me.

If all of the information that we recognize NOW had been dumped in our laps four years ago (yes, its taken almost that long) I think that both he and I would have gone screaming off into the woods. We scream a little bit now .... on a daily basis .... but we are not running anywhere.

Yes, answering for myself. I believe there is a controlling system somehow in place. It may not be something that is easy to recognize. It may not play by all the cognitive rules that we have set up for ourselves .... but I look at how things happen and are happening and I can see that there is a "helping inspirational pattern" here. I know that you recognize that you have been a part of it. And we appreciate your continuing participation.

Why didn't they move on your suggestions. Because Paul wasn't ready. Does that sound strange enough for you ? This is the day for it! Elizabeth

[grinder]

A question for you Paul,

If it becomes obvious that the Caroline Group was vested with technology (wherever they got it) that was well ahead of their time ..... and WE are JUST NOW talking about quantum communications (which is I gather what you mean by gravitic communications????(and the scientists still say that it is years and years away .... but possible ...) then its just a matter of time lag, right? In other words ... the Caroline Group is at one point ..... everybody is that much behind. Well, now that we are knocking on "gravitational communications" which they may have developed with Dr. Browns help in the what ? fifties, forties? Following that line of thought. Where are THEY now? What sort of systems do you think they have developed by now? Again it would have to be something no one else in the world would understand or , even be able to see. So what might that be.?

Gabe made mention that in human development it might be that devices will slowly fade away and WE ourselves will be all we need for communications or transport. Boy that would be sweet! Put myself down on a sandbar on a tropical island, be in New York City in time for a good show. Ticket, what ticket? Indeed that would be sweet! grinder

[Paul S.]

So why do you think the interesting topic I presented was refused Paul? Is there a hidden agenda?

"Hidden" agendas? I dunno. I'm tempted to just reply "because they're idiots" -- but that would be coming from the guy who has wanted for 25 years to see/make "a movie for television about the boy who invented it..." which, the indisputable authorities in TeeVee land tell me is.... 'not dramatic." So, you're asking the wrong guy.

There's really nothing "hidden" about TeeVee people's agenda: they just want it all handed to them. And, five years ago, what you presented probably sounded too "fringe" to warrant much consideration (although History Channel does an endless series of UFO shows...).

But we're going to correct that, arent' we?

--PS

P.S: these are not "science" questions per-se, so I have moved this topic to the general discussion section. If you can think of a better way to organize these things, please make suggestions. Thanks. --PS

[Paul S.]

If it becomes obvious that the Caroline Group was vested with technology (wherever they got it) that was well ahead of their time .....

Careful there, my friend... you are making the assumption that "their" time" is ... the same as ours... and that being ahead of "their time" is the same as 'being ahead' of our time. Not necessarily a safe assumption where this "group" is concerned...

and WE are JUST NOW talking about quantum communications (which is I gather what you mean by gravitic communications????

Well, I'm glad you asked that question. ARE we talking about the same thing? How exactly does "gravitic communication" translate into "quantum communication" ? This is precisely the question I have raised in the "EG Communications thread:

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Can we keep that discussion under that header... please??

then its just a matter of time lag, right? In other words ... the Caroline Group is at one point ..... everybody is that much behind.

OK, you already see the point I was driving at at the start of this message...

Well, now that we are knocking on "gravitational communications" which they may have developed with Dr. Browns help in the what ? fifties, forties?

Sounds about right... re: when Dr. Brown first developed it...

Following that line of thought. Where are THEY now? What sort of systems do you think they have developed by now?

The Universe is filled with Magical Things...

Gabe made mention that in human development it might be that devices will slowly fade away and WE ourselves will be all we need for communications or transport. Boy that would be sweet! Put myself down on a sandbar on a tropical island, be in New York City in time for a good show. Ticket, what ticket? Indeed that would be sweet!

I understand that's what it takes to get a decent seat at a popular Broadway show these days... magical powers... <g>

I wonder what the scuba diving is like on Rigel V ?

--PS

[Mark Culpepper]

Paul,

Now, that was an interesting statement, that you had tried to get people in TV interested in the story of the man who invented it, but it wasn't DRAMATIC ENOUGH? And you invested how long in trying to get that off the ground? And then THIS project FINDS ITS WAY to you? You can call it alot of things, maybe, but NOT DRAMATIC is not one of them.

Is it just me, or are you seeing, FEELING? something at work here WITH you?

I ask you that because it strikes me that, as we are just discovering, there are some things that we spend our entire lives not seeing. and others around you might still not see it, but that really doesn't matter does it? cause I see it, do you? Mark C.

[Mark Culpepper]

Honest to God, I don't know where to put this question. So I am just going to ask you and then you can put the response any darned place you want ......

I tried to follow that thread on the "communications/ gravity link but I only got so far as your mention that the RUSSIAN KOSYREV was Townsend Browns "counterpart"

WHOA. A "counterpart" ?. A Russian "counterpart"? Thats an interesting choice of words. It went right past me the first time around. But NOW I know there was an organization operating behind a veil ..... and suddenly NOW I realize why they needed a kid that could speak Russian.

But Doctor Brown just mentioned to Tolstoy that Morgan had taken classes "for a couple of years". Now forgive me, but something else is in order here because I took two years of French but I would not be able to speak with Charles de Gaulle as comfortably as Morgan slid into his important discussion with Tolstoy.... so .... whats the deal? What do we STILL need to know about this kid?

Was Morgan meant to be a "Link" for Kozyrev? And obviously, it is something that the "Caroline Group is doing under other noses, cause, remember the Cuban standoff? I didn't think we were the best of friends with the Russians during the sixties?<g> So Paul? Can you answer any of those questions Mark C

[Victoria Steele]

Looks like Mark and I are on the same trail here and have been on it for awhile. Mainly. Was there a physical connection between Kozyrev and Dr. Brown? And could that physical, solid connection have been Morgan?

Maybe the question is too tough to answer right now Paul but just make note that we are asking it, again.

And here is a REALLY scarey question. If Charles was a "security agent", was Twigsnapper the same sort of "security agent"? and by just putting two and two together, isn't that the job description that Morgan was offered?

Now here is the scarey part. Surely you have thought of this Paul! but if no one else out there has,think on this for a moment. What if Linda had been allowed to "learn things" above and beyond a certain level? Would she then have been awarded another one of these "armed escorts"?

And what would that have meant? What did it actually mean for Dr. Brown? Twigsnapper has already said that if there had been a "security break" that he was there to shoot Dr. Brown! And this was something that Dr. Brown apparently knew and accepted. But I can see now that he would never have chosen that for his own daughter. So his phrase to Morgan "She NEEDS not to know." Takes on a whole new meaning! Its becomes a sort of desperate plea from a loving father. "SHE NEEDS NOT TO KNOW" because if she ever does she will have to live the life that I am living? God ! Thats awful!

Cause if she KNEW STUFF would she be put into the same situation. Having a "security agent" assigned to HE? How terrible would that be? And here is why they couldn't be together , wasn't that the job that Morgan was offered "International security agent" for the Caroline Group? Morgan couldn't possibly be assigned as "security" for the woman he loved, knowing what the standing order of the job was.

What do you think Paul. You think thats a possibility? Victoria

[Paul S.]

I see the boards have been busy while I've been goofing off over the weekend, and that there are some VERY interesting topics being broached.

This one about Kozyrev and Brown is just one of them. I know it has been addressed elsewhere and maybe this is not the best place to answser the obvious questions, but I'll put my reponses here from now and as I peruse the boards and find the other references to this topic, I'll drop in the link to this post.

Looks like Mark and I are on the same trail here and have been on it for awhile. Mainly. Was there a physical connection between Kozyrev and Dr. Brown? And could that physical, solid connection have been Morgan?

There are two answers to that question. There's the 'intuitive' answer, and there's the factual answer.

The intuitive answer would be "Yes, Go To the Head of the Class." But all I have in my notes and files are oblique references to the subject. I don't have any notes that say specifically, "Morgan met Kozyrev...." at any specific time and place. Not like I have good notes on, say, his meeting with Ilya Tolstoy.

So, until such time as I get more reliable data on that subject, the "intuitive" answer is going to have to hold the place of the factual one.

Does that sound reasonable?

And here is a REALLY scarey question. If Charles was a "security agent", was Twigsnapper the same sort of "security agent"? and by just putting two and two together, isn't that the job description that Morgan was offered?

I'm not sure why you're saying that's "scary," but, broadly speaking, I think the answer to that one is a qualified "yes." Qualified in the sense that they all had different specific roles, but similar qualifications and sometimes similar missions.

What if Linda had been allowed to "learn things" above and beyond a certain level? Would she then have been awarded another one of these "armed escorts"?

What makes you so sure she doesn't travel with one now?

Jeez, I'm getting as bad as Morgan -- answering questions with questions!

And what would that have meant? What did it actually mean for Dr. Brown? Twigsnapper has already said that if there had been a "security break" that he was there to shoot Dr. Brown!

Yeah, sorta the "Wind Talkers" scenario...

"SHE NEEDS NOT TO KNOW" because if she ever does she will have to live the life that I am living? God ! Thats awful!

Yes, and we have also talked about the "lifetime committment" aspect of the path Dr. Brown and Morgan chose. Whenver I think of that I think of Al Pacino, that scene in Godfather III where he's trying to get out of the Mob, "but they keep puling me back." I think you would be correct in surmising that Dr. Brown wanted his daughter to have more options than that with her own life.

Morgan couldn't possibly be assigned as "security" for the woman he loved, knowing what the standing order of the job was.

I think that is a VERY astute observation, Victoria. Chills the bones to contemplate, doesn't it?

I can't confirm or deny that supposition -- not that I don't want to, only that I don't have reliable data to draw a conclusion on. But I can certainly see, as you do, how that might have been a factor in the dynamics that evolved between Morgan and Linda, Dr. Brown and "The Caroline Group."

Let me now see what other mischief I can get into from the weekend's posts.

--PS