THINKING OUTSIDE of the BOX

[Mikado14]

The swastika is nothing to do with the brainwashing you have been fed from the second world war, dump any wrong feelings you may have .
It lies at the centre of what I detect, it may be better understood as the celtic cross, where four ninty degree lines exit a circle.
Does that not remind you of this planet?, and all other circuler such celestial bodies ?
As above , so below.

No, it does not. Read up on the Buddhist and the Chinese and their use of the symbol. Did you know that the Chinese (could be Buddhist, been awhile) have two meanings to the swastika when one is clockwise or when it is anti-clockwise? Did you know that swastika is Sanskrit? I believe that predates celtics not that they may not have used it for the symbol has turned up throughout the globe, under different names. Now if you want to talk about the "aether" communicating the symbol between races, ok.

From the infinate small, to the largest celestial body, circuler.
Each circuler body creating its own field.
So, want to join them?
If so, be one of them, copy how they operate, dont be arrogant, dont think you know better, look up, they are everywhere.
Its all circles, but special measure of circles.
A system of dead straight lines creates those circles, it creates you, it will take you back, this is about life and death, like it or not.

What is your source? I am seriously asking this question. You have not mentioned anything but what you feel and your interpretation. In other words, it is subjective. Believe me, no one knows better than I about "feelings" and "sensing" but please do not jump to unfounded conclusions. Now when you are talking about the body being like a planet with a field around it, ok, if that is what you are talking it is called the "mekbar".

We fear death, WRONG.

Who is "we"?

Ancient peoples will have been pissed at been born.
All that hazzle again, do we never learn?

Really, ancient people have been pissed at being born. That's a new one. In some circles of thought, Christ symbolized his 33 incarnations by living 33 years. Last I read, and probably not what you are reading, he never mentioned being "pissed" about rebirth. You quote the saying "as above, so below" do you understand the Tibetan, Buddhist and other implications of what you are saying? I have tried to tell you but you turn deaf ears. Have you ever read anything in regards to reincarnation? And I am not talking about coming back as anything other than a human being. You don't go down the physical evolutionary ladder and the same applies to the spiritual.

I for one can't wait until I do not have to come back down here and I meditate to my "soul" that I am dealing with my kharma to the best of my ability so that I won't have to, but then, that is another story and does not have a thing to do with Paul's book.



As I said before, I really believe you are onto something. Actively recording and attempting to interpret the ley lines is a goal. You should be lauded for devoting your time as well as funds. However, do you really need to do the eulogizing in a spiritual context? You are beginning to sound like a (pick one: pastor, priest, minister, reverend, or whatever) and I have heard too many of them telling people how they are the truth and the light.

And I too can dowse and I have not failed to teach anyone to do it yet.

Mikado

[wdavidb]

It is quite amazing to me how Kevin can simplify things right down to the level of a stone circle in the middle of a daisy spotted meadow.

A circle long neglected, that may have been a hub of activity in centuries past.

And here we are in the 21st century trying to understand what it's all about.

I think it is important to consider why hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the known universe, roughly 75% of all known matter is hydrogen. The base, the foundation element, a very tiny simple form.

If we were to consider that the ratio of energy per unit of mass was not the same for all elements and was different for each, we would be amazed to find that hydrogen had the highest ratio of energy of any known element because it is so small and simple.

If we consider the mysterious aether (golden breath of heaven) to be equally available for all elements we can see that the small size of the hydrogen atom is made up for by it's high pulse rate, which makes hydrogen a very fast element. So fast that it can defy gravity and escape into space.

The frequency of the pulse is so high because more of the aether energy is focused to its core without much dilution, due to its small mass.

Therefore it makes sense that there should be such a high percentage of hydrogen, because it is closest to the feed source, which is the aether. It's core is so much more accessible to the influence of the aether.

Now, in general terms the greater mass usually has the greater energy, but it does not have the greater ratio of energy per unit of mass, which is something else again and something which seems to have been overlooked.

How important is this.........its critical if we want to understand the nature of universe........we have to go beyond the obvious and consider the details.

We wonder about the particle and the wave, it behaves like a particle, it behaves like a wave.............maybe its neither of these two things and is simply a pulsed frequency of the aether. Could it really be that simple?

I think the ying/yang symbol says it best for me.

And then Kevin waves his hand and shazam.........its all there in perfect harmony.

And someone mentioned Dr. Kozyrev..........whoa..are we there yet?

[kevin.b]

David,
Glad you are here, and thanks for highlighting Kozyrev.
I am giong to have to fully absorb his understanding, i have a feeling I may be exactly his twin as such.
It all means that everything is one, and that entails how everything is created, so please dont anybody beome upset or miss understand certain references to religion or symbols.
But everything that is created , is also then taken back.
David is right to flag hydrogen, I consider the basis of dowsing for water is the ability to detect the signals it gives off.
The planet uses the hydrogen to transfer the aether, and therefore I see it has the core transfer system in anything hoping to transfer the aether and make use of it.
I am a heating eng, so I do think in a way of transfering heat via water around a system.
If the heat is not transfered the boiler wont run correctly.
I really like this Kozyrev bloke, and even though he has REV built into his name, I dont see him as a preacher, just stating the blindingly obvious, simple obvious.
Kevin

[grinder]

I laughed when I saw that " Whoa" regarding Kozyrev! And the comment " Are we there yet?

Yes, sorry. We were there before we started, its sort of part and parcle of this deal actually.

Kevin. Hopefully your experiences will parallel but not match Kozyrevs entirely. I am not the historian on him that I should be (others out there, please help!) But it is my understanding that he was jailed for quite a long time in Russia because he was considered " an enemy of the state" (Which at the time was not a difficult thing to do if you were a person of some intellect.)

It was while he was alone and in his cell that he believed he was "contacted" by some form of intelligence that used those "quiet years" to teach him certain lessons. I suspect it was not unlike what Paul has been calling "downloading" for Dr. Brown or also not unlike the inspiration that many of us are coming to understand.

Going to a quiet place to recieve information is an age old technique. Just too bad that he had to be in a jail cell. I believe that he was released in 1945???? but I might be wrong with that date. Anybody else know more about the man? Elizabeth????? grinder

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

For those of you who are not that familiar with the name that has been popping up in this discussion. Have a quick look at this.

http://www.univer.omsk.su/omsk/Sci/Kozyrev/main.htm

Its a Russian translation so take that into account with the prose. I thought this earlier photo of the man was striking, I had only seen a much later photogragh and the moment I saw it, all I could think of was Sean Connerys version of " Bond, James Bond" Sometimes its so much easier to discuss a persons life and work when you can see his face. Oh, here is the "later" photo along with an interesting discussion of his thoughts on "intelligent ether "(or aether)
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?o ... &Itemid=36

I encourage all of you to think while you are reading this about the movements of the " Caroline Group" and the fact that for SOME REASON in 1965 a bright, strong young man with excellent Russian language skills was somehow sought after to join that particular group. Its my own personal theory that this man right here may have been part of that agenda. What do you all think?

Just an early morning thought. More soon. Elizabeth

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Remember the conversation about "picking a new word?" Here is another correlating opinion ..... so sad, so true.
from the above on Kozyrev

The aether’s existence was widely accepted without question in scientific circles until the early 20th century, when the Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887 was co-opted to “proveâ€

[grinder]

Look at this statement:

"However, not all of Kozyrev’s work was quite so readily assimilated into the mainstream world of NASA. In the winter of 1951-1952, just three years after escaping the brutal initiation of the prison camp, Dr. Kozyrev began his foray into the world of exotic physics, with the first of what became an exhaustive series of 33 years’ worth of very intriguing and controversial experiments. His obvious desire in pursuing such research was to find validation for the spiritual truths that he had already experienced through the mystical process of preparation, illumination and initiation (as referred to in Rudolf Steiner’s classic Knowledge of Higher Worlds and Its Attainment) under the most extremely challenging of circumstances. When he began publishing the results of these breakthrough studies, many Russian scientists and a scarce few in the West were prepared to listen, based on his past successes."

Sounds like the guy was pretty far ahead of those around him but definitely "hooked into something". Note the dates 51-52. Where was Dr. Brown and would he have had any connection with this man then. Course wasn't this during the cold war. Wouldn't Kozyrev be considered "the enemy?" but looks like his own people didn't understand him either so maybe he was isolated. In fact, sounds like nobody was listening to him. Except maybe Dr. Browns group? What do they mean by Kozyrevs " "Mystical process of preparation, illumination and initiation"
What, did he go through the rolled up magazine thing too????? Or an initiation such as Dr. Browns might have been like? I have a feeling each one was different. But once they recognized each other (remember Tolstoys meeting with Morgan in Florida? They realized that if they joined up, they were in it for life. Possibilities? This is just really interesting! I didn't think it could get more interesting that it was but I was wrong! grinder

[Mikado14]

[quote="Elizabeth Helen Drake"]
The aether’s existence was widely accepted without question in scientific circles until the early 20th century, when the Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887 was co-opted to “proveâ€

[Mikado14]

It is quite amazing to me how Kevin can simplify things right down to the level of a stone circle in the middle of a daisy spotted meadow.

A circle long neglected, that may have been a hub of activity in centuries past.

And here we are in the 21st century trying to understand what it's all about.

I think it is important to consider why hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the known universe, roughly 75% of all known matter is hydrogen. The base, the foundation element, a very tiny simple form.

Is this post in response to my asking kevin some questions? For if it is I would really like to know how the swastika represents hydrogen.

Whenever it comes to the two of you, you never answer directly the questions that I pose and when you do, I feel so friggin stupid to try to see how your answer fits with my question.

You two are very close to exasperating the hell out of me. How can you possibly expect anyone to grasp your postulations if you both can't express your self in a coherent manner without using terms that no one understands?

A really friggin stupid and dense Mikado

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

I have to admit. I have to side with Mikado here. David and Kevin ... you guys are hard to follow. Its frustrating. Trickfox can do that to me too, I admit . After awhile I just wander off mentally muttering something akin to "It must be me!"

But then I think. No . Maybe not! Maybe its not my responsibility to try so damned hard to get the gist of things. Maybe the guy on the other end has some responsibility to understnd that whatever "language " is picked shouldn't need a translator at their elbow.
Please guys, help us here. You couldn't ask for a more appreciative audience. Don't take advantage of our good nature! I can go anywhere else and get that.
Elizabeth

[kevin.b]

The Swastika.
Is merely a drawing of an occurance.
The star of david is merely a drawing of an occurance.
They are part of a stunning set of geometric patterns that are formed by crossing dead straight lines( nine lines)
When you normally see any geometric patterns presented as a result of what is commonly called sacred geometry, they are achieved by accepted mathmatical design systems, therefore you see stunning patterns.
But , they do not actually represent what I detect is happening right through you as you are reading this, no matter where you are.
The matrix grid achieved by the lines I can detect with ease, follows a measurable system, but with infinate variation.
There are basic rules;-
A, Dead straight lines grouped in parallel sets of nines.
B, the distance between the lines never ever varies.
C, the sets of nine lines cross each other in various alignments around 360 degrees always in numbers that conform to the fibonacci sequence.
D, a result of this is four series of closely aligned outlets around 360 degrees at 90 degrees to each other.
E, because of the precise distance between the lines, the created patterns form polygons at every 13 inch out from the centre spot of where all the lines cross( middle line)
F, because of the precise distance between the lines, there are certain of those polygons that are where all the nine lies are found.
G, FLOWING along each line is a detectable occurance, the flow direction down and along each line varies, not only that it goes both ways at once on top of each other, and the flows vary morning to night and at the dictate of other celestial bodies , especially the moon.
H, Try to visualise these flows for convinience all flowing inwards along all the lines of say a 13 series of nine lines crossing, they flow into and begin to join into the four dominant created 90 degree input lines, they either flow into the centre spot of these four dominant lines, or they also circulate around the created polygons especially the four dominant polygons created by the eight lines either side of the centre lines of the series of nine parallel lines, ( eight octaves?)
You therefore have the basis of the swastika or celtic cross forming, there are numerous other geometric patterns formed, and the dominance of any one pattern varies as each alignment of lines alters in sort of flow rate.
The actual complexity of what is going on , not only in just one as described circulation, but in how the adjoining larger and smaller circulation all inter react is very humbling to me, very ,very humbling, I am given a glimpse of creation, and am moved to poetry, in praise of what I consider I have been before, and will be again, because I recognise it, and it smiles upon me.
Kevin

[kevin.b]

Here is a site that gives a glimpse of what i detect, the man is called Paul Muir, a giant of a man, in all ways.
He was pronounced dead on various occasions, saw and understood things, I have huge respect for this man, he has incredible understanding.
http://www.secretsofthestones.com/new_page_1.htm
Kevin

[kevin.b]

Elizabeth Helen Drake,
I have grown fond of the word aether.
http://www.esotericscience.com/aether.aspx#aether
I have also gained in admiration for dr kozyrev, he developed dowsing into a scientific method.
His balance upon a short wire that was vibrated will be similer to me, I am a high vibrational being.
Nothing spooky or strange aboutthat statement, just a recognition of why i respond so well to the aether FLOWS.
I also feel that i may understand about levitation, I have travelled through the air with the greatest of ease, so have a rather more direct understanding and reason for that happening to me, remember that I detect two flows going in opposite directions on top of each other, and can detect at what height from the planet surface the gap between the two opposing flows is, therefore if you break the bond of attraction between the two, you will break gravity.
If the material to be levitated consists of many sort of air pockets that contain all positive spin aether, and you break the attraction to the earths negative, then the material will be in spacefree of attraction, or it will levitate, precise position and alignment will be required with the ability to SEE the flows pathway.
http://www.paranormal.about.com/library ... 31901a.htm
Kevin

[kevin.b]

Elizabeth Helen Drake,
In the link above to esotericscience, go to their home page, then to 2-matter, read down until you come to PHILADELPHIA,
Kevin, dissappearing into the aether?

[Mikado14]

There are basic rules;-
A, Dead straight lines grouped in parallel sets of nines.
B, the distance between the lines never ever varies.
C, the sets of nine lines cross each other in various alignments around 360 degrees always in numbers that conform to the fibonacci sequence.
D, a result of this is four series of closely aligned outlets around 360 degrees at 90 degrees to each other.
E, because of the precise distance between the lines, the created patterns form polygons at every 13 inch out from the centre spot of where all the lines cross( middle line)
F, because of the precise distance between the lines, there are certain of those polygons that are where all the nine lies are found.
G, FLOWING along each line is a detectable occurance, the flow direction down and along each line varies, not only that it goes both ways at once on top of each other, and the flows vary morning to night and at the dictate of other celestial bodies , especially the moon.
H, Try to visualise these flows for convinience all flowing inwards along all the lines of say a 13 series of nine lines crossing, they flow into and begin to join into the four dominant created 90 degree input lines, they either flow into the centre spot of these four dominant lines, or they also circulate around the created polygons especially the four dominant polygons created by the eight lines either side of the centre lines of the series of nine parallel lines, ( eight octaves?)

Very coherent layout. We now can see eight basic rules?

You therefore have the basis of the swastika or celtic cross forming, there are numerous other geometric patterns formed, and the dominance of any one pattern varies as each alignment of lines alters in sort of flow rate.

There must be something else here. The reason I say this is due to the fact that I can take a city plot plan with all the crossing streets and show you all sorts of geometric patterns. It really is inevitable when you have intersecting lines from various angles and then proceeding in a circular direction to a completion of 360 degrees.

Also, you mention the celtic cross, is this the same that is referred to as Brigit's cross and is used in wiccan (oh that name, hate to use it) rituals?

I will give this much. IF ancient man had the ability to detect the ley lines, and I too believe this to be true, than perhaps you are correct that it is representative. However, have you considered the fact that it might be something simpler in regard to the ley lines?

Just a Mikado thing going on here, what say you Elizabeth? You know what that means <g> Oh, and last nite was another download. Who is sending?

Mikado... a sleepy one